I think this dude tried WAY too hard to make a post. I mean, do you even know the thread you are in? This isn’t about classic LMAO!!! I think you need to re-read the thread or put down the pipe.
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If I cared enough, I could link you a dozen threads supporting the nerfs to M+ loot, the removal of bonus rolls and wf/tf.
Some players asked for meaningful gearing, for character progression to end and they did not want low end content to reward high end gear. SL is what that looks like.
Players spent all of BFA complaining about too many spells having low impact, slow gameplay, and dampening. Or about not having ways to punish mistakes. How is Divine Toll any different that getting randomly globald by wf/ swordspec/ stormherald procs?
This thread is about PVP exclusively. No one here who has an interest in PVP cares about M+ or any other PVE stuff. PVP is broken and its in its worse state it has ever been. Its why so many people are leaving because 9.1 doesn’t look any better.
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You literally mentioned pve.
To make a point… People dont PVE to get PVP gear and vice versa… You brought up something about classic which is still hurting my head.
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Needing pve gear to pvp has been what pvpers have had to do for many expansions though
Drest, eternal palace essence, claw, slapyboi
They don’t want to do it but they have to because it’s so much stronger
Same for pvers having to pvp this expansion because vers for some classes, badge for others, and raw ilvl for early expansion content pushing since loot was so scarce
They should be 100% separated , but unfortunately they won’t be
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Please do.
That has nothing to do with what we are dealing with now.
Just because ONE thing is bad, doesn’t mean another thing can’t ALSO be bad. Dampening play was horrible for arena. That doesn’t mean you have to swing the complete other direction. You can still have high damage in arena without it being so RNG heavy. That’s all most of us want. You do this by focusing on sustained rather then front loading so much damage on single button abilities.
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Right, it was a step in the right direction as far as separating the gear but making PVErs do PVP for PVE progression is just brilliantly stupid. I mean, again the fix could not be more simpiler.
1: Don’t hide PVP gear behind ratings. You PVP, any kind, you can upgrade getting enough conquest to do so.
2: Balance classes as they are broken beyond belief.
Boom… PVP fixed.
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But how will they coddle the booster community then? They seem to be incrementally more valuable in the late game than the “normie” players, right? Isn’t that how Tokens work?
Players did both in vanilla, tbc, wrath, cata, bfa and sl. Crossover is fine and has always existed. Items like Stormherald, Shadowmourne, 4/4, Drest or Geti that are
Iridiculously bis are not.
That is exactly what BM and Fury do. Read posts about either spec. Many don’t want them to be viable.
During wrath half of players did bgs for entertainment. Didn’t they have a PvP director back then? They haven’t for 3 expansions now, and everything is designed by and for raid loggers.
« This system sucks but it shouldnt change because its always existed »
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Reminds me of classic, when #nochanges meant that bugs newly introduced in the classic implementation should never be fixed, because there were bugs in vanilla, so bugs are in the spirit of vanilla.
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A thread? The other is news.
I’ll wait for the remaining 11. A dozen, instead of dozens, will suffice.
Edit: Post 4 has 21 positive responses to the OP’s 9. I almost liked the OP for the obvious troll.
I guess we are ignoring the feedback from all the players that are going back to classic, tbc and wrath…
It has a comment section. Read.
Players going to play classic and bc classic because PvP sucks and there’s nothing else to do isn’t “feedback”.
And I don’t see players going back to wrath. There is no classic wrath. Farming invincible doesn’t count. Is this some private server you are playing on?
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I read a lot from Shredow, tried to see if there was any other interesting takes in personal history – not really, mostly lore with last activity in February. Hopefully they’re still active in the game and just swapped forum accounts. But the game might actually be worse now too, so who knows…
A big thing in that thread is “Bonus rolls still exist, but are stapled onto the Great Vault system”. You win though – a lot of people hated getting Azerite for bonus rolls. I forgot how bad that was… And instead of fix that, they swing the pendulum as hard as they could to remove them entirely… Kind of to @Adroi’s point:
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“retail pvp sucks boys. Rating locks, pve gear, class imbalance, ilvl differences, etc suck.”
“Imma go play tbc, pve for stormherald and dst, get farmed by sl/ sl lock and mace stun rogues, and afk bot classic so I can have max honor stored for tbc.”
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It does suck how much it takes to get the transmog but it’s also just a recolor of the set you already have from story so I’m always confused why people care so much. Is it just a completionist thing?