Do you think Shadowlands will be any better than BfA?

Doesn’t seem like it to me, but we’ll see. The only new exciting feature is the palace of the dead thing and those deep dungeons get old incredibly fast. I’d be surprised if they came up with anything to keep it fun for longer than the first patch.

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For everyone’s sake, it has to be.

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WotLK’s class homogenization was horrendous, it’s class balance was worse than today’s, the writing was completely brain dead, and it had a single good raid tier, so yes, despite all the nostalgia and fanfare for Arthas, it was bad.

It was also the first expansion that caused the game to enter the god-awful year-long content droughts that caused a huge loss in sub numbers, so much so that Blizzard clammed up until Cata launched to save face. WotLK was not a good expansion. It was a “flashy” expansion.

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Wrath was the most popular expansion to date, so I’d say most people disagree with that assessment.

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Worse. I’m honestly scared of what they’re going to do to the plot. Already cringing.

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It was also the expansion that casuallized everything to appeal to a huge audience at the cost of the game’s health. Not that it mattered, since most people dumped the game due to the lack of content and how many problems there were with the disparate difference between Normal and Heroic raid content.

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The end of wrath was agonizing but overall it was a very good expansion.

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Either way the “cyclical” expansion hypothosis doesn’t work. TBC was good, WotLK was good, Cata was bad, MoP was good, etc. It’s nonsense. Pure and simple.

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The sub numbers loss happened during-after the first cata patch. The cata launch continued with the increasing high numbers because of WOTLK.

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The “casualization” was a good thing. It enabled people who could never get into raids to experience that content. It also introduced LFD, which eliminated sitting around in Dalaran for hours trying to find a healer or a tank.

Sub numbers dropped in Cataclysm because they attempted to cater to the hardcore again.

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Its most definetley nonsense, I’m not actually serious… But its funny how thats how a large number of people feel about the later expansions. Good, bad, good, bad…

Classic, TBC, and Wrath was the golden age of WoW… Future expansions have been hit or miss.

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Again. None of this proves what you said is true. There’s no cyclical nature. There’s no indication of an A and B team outside of rhetoric and anecdotes from nobodies.

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The first patch will probably lack a bit due to the Level revamp and customization options, a fair trade off if you ask me

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Congratulations… You have proven the cyclical explanation is not fact and we’re a bunch of nobodies. Read the title of the thread Capt Obvious… “What do you THINK”

Smh…

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I’m assuming there wasn’t a “B Team” until Wrath, since a lot of work had to be done to make Cataclysm while A Team continued working on Wrath due to an ever-increasing playerbase.

That’s purely conjecture though.

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My concern is that they release after Blizzcon.

As I’ve said elsewhere in the forums I doubt Visions will sate people for 9 more months.

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While there’s no proof of A and B. There’s definitely a cycle of good and bad since WOTLK which was the first expac that came after the original plan.

Say what you will about personal feelings but WOTLK/MOP/LEGION are considered good expansions in a general sense while Cata/WoD/BFA are not. Therefore the cycle, whether by coincidence or existing of an actual reason, is there.

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To be fair, final raid tier content droughts are pretty much the norm. It is gonna be a rough year though.

If SL doesn’t deliver and breaks the cycle, I think a lot of people who believe in the Team Theory are going to call it quits permanently with Blizzard. I know I’ll be tempted to.

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Legion was so massively fraught with failure after failure that I hardly called it good. Legendaries were too important and too random, PvP was terrible, Artifact Power was just as bad back then as it is now, not to mention the absurd week-long timegates from Class Halls that some classes had. Everyone forgets that there was a point in the expansion when it was better to boost a fresh character than continue playing the one you had if you got the wrong Legendary due to how moronic the loot system was.

That’s not to say that I hated it, it was just decent. A lot of good with a lot of stupid.

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