Do you own an iPhone?

It may be to you, but it isn’t exactly easy or meaningless to someone else.

A large part of the pain of leaving and quitting is that it hurts people to see a place that they used as a means to escape reality is no better, that the people who crafted these worlds of comfort did so under stress and abuse.

Beyond that, WoW is an optional part of life that you don’t have to have, so it is easier to condemn the actions of these individuals compared to having to source ethical and affordable clothing or operating anything non-smartphone in a world increasingly relying on them.

Beyond all of that, the game is in a horrible state even without the pending lawsuit. People who were already on the fence about leaving due to the horrific expansion (which it really shouldn’t be so bad, yet here we are) that a reveal like this is more than enough for what is effectively the final straw.

At the end of the day, you can make a choice for yourself. But you don’t get to condemn people for making choices about their own life. Nearly every corporation on this planet is an evil, soulless machine, but you can’t just boycott them all. You have to pick and choose your battles, and some people have decided Blizzard isn’t worth fighting for.

Feel free to stay, feel free to give yourself a medal for this unnecessary input into the situation, but you have no grounds to judge others on. Just the same with everyone else attempting to shame people with whataboutism.

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This SO much. One of the saddest outcomes of this debacle is not just the abandonment of the game by some of the friends I’ve made on my server, but the hurtful way one of them decided to alienate the others in our little community by insinuating a lack of morality in those that decided to stay.

Judgementalism, perpetrated from any side, speaks more ill about the accuser than the accused.

Yeah, that is the gist of it - at least as far as I can understand. It is kind of weird, but whatever… I guess they think everyone is faking it, and anyone who speaks out on it, from an anonymous forum is virtue signaling for the hearts or something.

Oh I’m totally with you. That makes me want to dust off the IIe just for giggles.

Personally I don’t have an iPhone because I don’t like them. Never really had. I tolerated my original iPod, but it was still meh.

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Damn guys, he’s right. I have an iPhone, guess it’s okay that people were getting sexually harassed. My bad…

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I have a IIc that I got for free a couple of years ago, the problem is that I don’t have the power supply or any adapter to convert it to hdmi. I would also need to get floppies. I don’t even know if it works yet.

For now, I mostly just use an emulator when I want to hit up old games like Oregon Trail, or play around with Apple Works.

Oh look, whataboutism, the act of saying bad things happen all the time in the world, so that means you can’t be mad at blizzard. Always a weak argument.

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You will not change the world but you can’t ignore the existing problems either. By picking something that you do care about, things will slowly change. I don’t buy factory eggs, less and less people do. More and more people buy “humanly handled and raised” eggs and chicken products, and it IS making a difference. Some people are vegan, it is also making a difference.

You alone can’t change everything that is wrong with the world, but if we all work at it, we can.

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I saw a while back someone once did the math if they moved the manufacturing for mobile phones to e.g. the US. Turns out they would cost like 3-4 times what they do now to purchase. I wonder what would happen if people had to shell out $3-4k for their new iPhone next year. Would really force people to face their own hypocrisy. Either that or Apple would just go belly up. Probably the latter.

Got my cheap flip in the glove box. No purpose to text and take selfies of myself. Odd people nowadays.

I still have an iPhone 7 Plus, I can’t justify upgrading everytime iPhone comes out with a new model. :neutral_face:

Whataboutism is really not the look anymore, sis.

We haven’t had enough of these types of threads the past few weeks . . .

I really loved my razr! I still have it, just not using it.

No I have a Samsung s20, iPhone’s are garbo.

Stop with the straw man arguments. Of course many companies do bad things. That doesn’t justify their behavior.

No, I don’t own an iPhone.

The only thing I hate about Apple iPhone there’s barely any customization you can do with it… pain in the butt sideload apps and its too much of a Walled Garden…

The only reason why I stick with Android

What a cool and totally valid argument that no one has ever brought up before.

Thanks OP for the hot fresh new take! Food for thought, for sure!

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Because they all do it, makes it perfectly acceptable to treat women like this at this company (especially if it’s your daughter, your mom, your family member, etc.). Hey, playing a video game is just as important as shoes, putting gas in my car, having a phone, etc. But I’m not being hypocritical or anything, I’m just trying to convince myself that it’s no better than all of these other companies out there, so why not?..unless it happens to one of my family members, then I’d be all over it and protesting like crazy of course.