You know how the Kul Tiran marines in Durotar are killed by players because its orc land now and the humans aren’t welcome in their land?
Same thing in Night Elf land. Its their land to welcome and close their doors to whomstever they see fit. It is their land.
Well, was. Genocide and all lol.
That’s what the mission involves where it happens, Warcraft III - Mission: Enemies at the Gate. I’m sure you can find a video of it, it shows them directly doing so. I would post it, but I can’t. But the first result in Google had it.
Intro
Shandris Feathermoon: Pardon, Priestess, but you’ve been staring out across Ashenvale for hours.
Tyrande Whisperwind: I sense something dark stirring within the forests, Shandris. It feels as if it’s heading this way.
Shandris Feathermoon: The greenskins who killed Cenarius?
Tyrande Whisperwind: Perhaps. Perhaps something more.Tyrande summons an scout to check on the base.
Duke Lionheart: Put your backs into it! Jaina and the orc warchief expect this base to be built swiftly!
Footman: Bah! We shouldn’t even be here! Or siding with the orcs.
Grunt: We’re here to hunt the remaining demons, human. You’re lucky our goals are the same.
Duke Lionheart: All right, you men! Mind your business! Back to work!
Tyrande Whisperwind: So, these orcs and humans presume to run rampant through our lands? They will regret ever stepping foot into Ashenvale. We will establish a base and deal with these outlanders as they deserve.
This was after the Orcs killed Cenarius. And I’m pretty sure it is before Archimonde because in the next mission, Daughters of the Moon, Tyrande says ‘Archimonde…After ten thousand years, how is it possible?’ After a Dreadlord says his name.
Sereven, come on. The Kul’tirans arrive in Durotar to kill Orcs. The Kul’Tirans arrived in Hyjal or wherever to aid the night elves and every other race against the Legion.
I’m not contesting you. I’ve played WC3 like once and I don’t remember most of it well. It’s why I said ‘but sure.’
So the Night Elves were stupid enough, and evil enough, to kill their allies before dealing with Archimonde?
How did this race survive five years, let alone ten thousand?
Were the night elves allied with humans at that time? Normally I think the whole night elven shoot-first-ask-later thing stupid as hell, but at this point they’re already under attack and just lost their demigod to orcs, and then see a human working with them.
And? They were stranded, shipless refugees. The orcs could have easily taken them prisoner. It would be the just thing to do (Right, Admiral Rogers?). But it was their land and their right to dispatch them as they saw fit. Motivations of the trespassers aren’t a factor in the rights of the sovereign people.
No, because they weren’t allies at the time and Archimonde hadn’t gotten there yet.
The Orcs showed up looking like demons (normally and on a magical sense) and were cutting down tries. Said Orcs killed Cenarius after juicing up more. Then Tyrande saw the humans and Orcs cutting down trees, attacked them. Then they saw Archimonde who showed up after this with his undead.
I don’t know. I certainly assume so. Everyone is allied at the end.
And instead of waving the white flag, they just became literal murder hobos. It’s not remotely the same thing as building up defenses to fight the Burning Legion to save Azeroth.
Okay, now I’m contesting you. The Kul’Tirans have no reason to ally with Orcs if the unifying threat of the Burning Legion hasn’t borne down on everyone yet.
They were allied because Jaina was leading them overall, having taken these refugees from Lordaeron to Kalimdor. And Jaina and Thrall had both been told by Medivh to get to Kalimdor and, after they fought a little, to work together. It happens in the mission The Oracle in The Invasion of Kalimdor where he says ‘chill and work together’.
Were they shipless?
The Kul Tirans who were at Tiragarde Keep in Vanilla didn’t come with the initial wave, but a bit afterwords on orders from Papa Proudmoore to be enacted should they not receive word from him after 12 months.
I’m assuming they still had their ships after they retook Tiragarde.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Enemies_at_the_Gate_(WC3_NightElf)
With the heroic sacrifice of Grom Hellscream, the pit lord Mannoroth was slain, and the demon curse that had plagued the orcs was put to an end. However, the combined human and orc forces have moved deeper into Ashenvale Forest to ascertain whether a demonic threat still lingers in the land.
Alright, so it is to deal with demons, the Night Elves just don’t care.
So, going back to my earlier point:
Not that they didn’t care, they didn’t know. You can see this in the conversation Shandris and Tyrande have.
The undead and the Legion attack right at the end of the mission. Again, the extent of their knowledge was ‘seems like there might be fel around, these Orcs killed Cenarius, we see more Orcs, might be the problem.’ Seems like pretty straightforward reasoning.
Once the situation is explained, they do ally with the humans and orcs.
So the Night Elves were wholly unaware of demonblood in their moonwells?
They thought the Orcs were the Legion at that time for the very reason they were giving off fel and drank demon blood.
But where did the demonblood come from?!
A demon?! Like I said, they thought the Orcs were working for the Legion. They weren’t ignoring the Legion to attack the cooperating Orcs and Humans because the Orcs were already giving off fel, cutting down trees, and some had killed Cenarius.
Right! They only saw the orcs defeated. Why weren’t they looking for the demon?!
They probably were. Assumedly that’s the entire reason they were scouting.
The text you posted suggests they’re blissfully unaware of any demon. Maiev happily checks off any ill feelings Tyrande has to orcs, and Tyrande says “yeah, maybe.”
I’m a bit confused here. A Neutral Druid School. His students would’ve also been Neutral. His students likely have as much disaste for the Horde as he does after that event. Tauren included. And they probably see it the exact same way.
It’s only a racist statement if you interpret it as one, and at that point, you yourself may want to consider if the statement is racist, or your perception is based in prejudice, for not all members of a race, even a playable race, are all part of the same faction.
To say the Horde destroys beauty because they cannot comprehend it is not a racist statement. It’s simply a statement that very well could apply to the Horde.
Shandris, not Maiev. And it makes it clear they’re aware something greater might be going on. But the Orcs and Humans were right there, defiling further. They obviously wouldn’t actually be able to fine Mannoroth since he was gone at that point.