Do non-skilled players just not belong here anymore?

Game is intentionally made to be confusing obstructive and exclusionary to try and get players to buy wow tokens to pay for cool kid passes so they can see content. They intentionally don’t make things clear and concise so they can try and steer you to increase the relevancy of the WoW bubble across the web and pull you further into a fake “community” to keep you longer and milk ideas for you since there’s a lack of diversity with the people that end up working for gaming companies in terms of ideas because they all go through relatively the same filtering process to get there.

Game is also being made to prop outdated dying social networks as opposed to being palatable for your average solo / small group players.

New patch / expac comes out

Spam ptr /alpha / beta
Get a list of everything thats OP
Capitalize on OP things before hotfixes
Coast off of gains made before hotfixes

MMO homework much fun

In a perfect world that would be the mindset of the playerbase. But yet people are doing keys way above their skill levels to get loot from vault and complain about timers because they can’t get a +15 key.

It’s a big ask to ask players to begin learning dungeon/raid mechanics at max level and expect them to feel confident in groups. There is zero coaching as they level, zero patience among the community, even in normal dungeons.

I might get some grief for saying this, but this is something FFXIV does a very good job at. The Echo, FFXIV alert system for mechanics, is consistent and repeated, as a player levels through dungeons and raids. From aoe notifications to stack markers to direction cone abilities to run out of the group alerts. This visual alert remain constant, regardless of the boss. Most importantly, exists in leveling content.

WoW: Teach a player a boss mechanic and you help him kill that boss.
FFXIV: Teach a player 4 simple in game alerts and watch them understand nearly every boss.

I will say it again, developers need to be playing other games, allowing themselves to be “inspired”. And taking that experience to enrich our experience. It’s a win win!!

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pro tip,
as soon as someone points the finger. Unless it is at them then they are the toxic person. Thats all there is to it

My advice, if you wish to take it, is the following:

Do some research on the content you wish to tackle. If it’s dungeons, watch guides on them, or read up on them and note down important mechanics on a notepad or spreadsheet so you can revise any time you are heading into that dungeon.

Remember, a Mythic 10 has the same mechanics as a Mythic 0. The only difference is the amount of damage you take and the amount of damage you need to deal to complete the dungeon. Focus on mechanics before damage and give yourself time to absorb all the information.

If you feel like you are going to be flamed due to your performance, try to join a guild and make some friends that are willing to learn with you or are willing to teach you. For all you know, you have the potential to be a great player but you just haven’t been exposed enough to Mythic +.

Try to optimize your character the most you can. Look for optimal covenants, soulbinds, enchants, legendaries, gear (mainly trinkets) and make sure you understand how to play your class properly.

Once you feel confident with everything above, you can simply start tackling your Mythic + score and if you want to keep improving, watch higher skilled players who play your same class/spec and see what they do differently.

I hope some of this helps you, and good luck.

Absolutely there is a place for players like you! Don’t let elitists bring you down, if you like to play casually, that’s perfectly valid.

There’s plenty of people who play this game just to interact with other players as a social forum. Make as many friends as you can, if that’s your thing. I try to be as positive and accommodating as possible when newer players approach me. It’s not any different than real life, people should be treated with respect until they give you a reason not to.

And what do you know about me? :grinning:

You pretty much nailed it.

Even at a +2 your competing against players who are looking to test out new builds, covenants or characters. So it will be hard to get into a group unless you run your own key.

The game has been pushing more and more mechanics and difficulties for a long time. The large crowd of beer and pretzel players are long gone for the most part. At this point you are either a person who sells runs or buys them.

Man reading over this I realize just how depressing it is to still be playing WoW.

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Go to FF14.

Seriously. At least there you’re treated with dignity and respect.

WoW is not a home for you anymore.

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There are plenty of casual social guilds. Maybe try a pvp focused guild if you are into that. I have made some great online friends in social guilds. You do not have to be a serious raider to enjoy the game.
Old achievements, collecting, pet battles, crafting there are other solo things to do if you like solo play.
It’s a couple of hours of cheap entertainment here and there. It can be what you make of it.

MMOs are only as good as your network of players is. Having guildmates and friends is pretty essential to having fun in WoW (yes there will be exceptions). I recommend starting around whatever level you are most comfortable with and then grouping with random people for the purpose of finding like minded/skilled individuals for your network. You will get some good and probably many bad candidates. The most important part in any journey is that first step. After that it is just 1 step at a time.

I disagree with this, I think WoW has a home for anyone and any playstyle. I do agree that you need to find a decent casual guild and find a group who will run keys with you in a no pressure atmosphere.
I relate to the OP, I’m absolutely terrified to run keys and raid but I’m in a good casual guild and feel comfortable running with groups of players from the guild. Eventually I’ll feel comfortable with the mechanics enough to run with randoms, that I have no doubt.

To the OP, check out Pensive on the Dalaran server, we’d love to have you join us. We have both Horde and Alliance guild factions.

How can that be? GD insists the vast majority of players are casuals.

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No it doesn’t anymore. WoW has move past the type of player you and the OP are. They’ve made that pretty clear.

Again why is this a requirement in this game but when compared with FF14 it’s not nearly as hard? Why are so many more people willing to help and be helpful in that game compared to here?

In order to enjoy WoW you need to suffer through the bad parts. It makes no sense.

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This game is filled with sociopaths and it continues to breed them. Dont stop trying to find cool folks. They are out there and you will find them. Try to ignore the self absorbed and be you! I will pray for you. <3

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okay, i’m curious. how have they done that?

What do you mean? People are willing to be helpful here, too. This very thread is evidence of that. There are probably more people here giving OP advice than just telling him to quit. He doesn’t want to take it. You cannot help someone that doesn’t want to be helped.

Just my experience. In vanilla to wrath (maybe the start of cata) there were a large number of players who logged in to get drunk, have fun with friends and get some loot.

Game mechanics have become increasingly complex. Compare any raid boss from wrath to those of the current expansion and you can quickly see why a drunk guy trying to tank a boss is going to find remembering 10 min worth of explanations on mechanics per boss difficult to remember. Or any mechanic that requires group coordination and quick reactions, yet something else drunk people are not exactly know for.

Not to mention that loot drops are not nearly what they once were. There is very little incentive to do the easiest difficulties if WQ gear is better.

Then with timers in dungeons it prevents people from communicating with anything but voice. Every second spent typing is a second wasted on the timer. Gone are the days of trash talking people or teaching others mechanics (again unless they join discord something many people hate to do.) Furthermore it means that you have to be available for the entirety of the dungeon. If your kid is sick well you better take the night off, on call and may possibly have to leave? There is no way the group can just come back in a couple of hours and finish up. Want to switch characters for a specific boss? Not anymore.

A lot of people are also turned off by the number of difficulties. At one point everyone was funneled into easy or hard difficulties. Now we have 4 raid difficulties, 20+ dungeon difficulties and tons of pvp styles.

This splits the player base into so many tribes that it becomes difficult to find a group that plays the same faction, same time, same realm, same types of content, same difficulty of content. And what happens when you become better and want to increase the challenge and others don’t?

I’ve run several large guilds and find that players fall into one of the following categories.

  1. New players who have no idea how to play and have fun doing just about anything.
  2. Players how have played for years but are there for the social aspects of the game and are not very good. This can be because of a bad computer, not wanting to read or watch guides or just being able to understand their spec or the mechanics of a dungeon or boss. More than 2 or possibly 3 in a raid is going to make things challenging to impossible (depending on the boss mechanics.)
  3. Players who are moderately new but are quick to grasp the fundamentals and push themselves.
  4. People looking for a challenge and get tiered of carrying people so they leave for a mythic raiding guild.

Player type 4 generally become a clique and talk about their frustrations about type 2 players. Over time they either become passive aggressive and drive them out or they quit and join a guild that sell carries instead of doing it for free. All the while new players wonder just what the hell happened and if they should stick around and the players who are ok and looking to get better find themselves having to decide if they follow the good players or stick around for what they know will be an increasing amount of wipes without the good players there to carry people.

This whole cycle happens any where from a few weeks to a couple of months and just needs one player to be the catalyst to start drama about frustration everyone has felt for years. I’ve seen extremely stable guilds that worked together for years fall apart and people quit the game permanently over.

I’ve had a ton of friends quit over these issues and many more who never really start because its over whelming. I think a co-worker said it best when I was watching a Queen Azshara guide. What the hell is going on? followed by: Why the expletive would you ever play that?

Edit: Ok my wife just informed me that you were probably being sarcastic. My mistake.

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Threads like these seem to pop up at least once a week and it always seems to follow the same pattern. Op bemoans how the game is stopping them from progressing because no one is willing to help them. Several people attempt to help, followed by op either totally ignoring the advice, or saying how they dont want to do toxic things like reading a guide. Most people eventually give up trying to help op, then a group comes in and starts blaming everyone for not helping op enough and how this proves wow is toxic. Iunno maybe ive just been here too long but im starting to wonder why i even click on these threads knowing how itll go.

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I resemble this remark.

There’s untimed dungeons and even the timer ones you can ignore the timer altogether. I suppose there’d be issues coming back on a different day, but I’ve never known anyone to do that anyway (maybe brd?)

Well Blizz can only do so much. They catered to everyone and even that makes people mad.

The same thing that always has, you decide to stay with group A or chase your dreams with group B.

Lol as usual wives are right. Though I do in general disagree that the beer league crowd is shut out.

Because the same person posts them!

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