Do I like this game?

I have been pondering this question of the last two weeks and came up with the following answer:

No.

It just isn’t fun anymore. Warbands has made developing individual characters meaningless. The Trading Post has made both cosmetics and collecting meaningless. The zone scaling, quick leveling and boring storytelling has made questing meaningless. The homogenization of the races has made the races meaningless.

And the pop-ups, addition of present-day western morality and juvenile tone has make the game obnoxious.

I did like the game. In fact, I loved the game. It got me thru Covid.

But now… no, I don’t like the game.

So I unsubbed (sixteen hours and counting).

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Are you perma-done or taking a break?

I thought I was done but a weeks break was all I needed to like it again.

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I feel that sometimes and I’m not even a collector, for the most part.

I think WoW for me has realistically become a 1-season-per-expansion game that I kind of force myself to try and find reasons to play after that 1 season.

I played the heck out of Season 1. I did the M+ grind, I had (more or less) full Myth Track gear, I got my AotC, I grinded out orange and pink parses in Heroic Raid.

And now I’m not even doing anything to fill out my Vault, and am basically Raid Logging (once a week) for a raid that barely exists (we have like 7 and a half people in theory but reality has been more like 4-5).

And one might say that ok maybe I just played too much in S1 and need to take a break.

except this is exactly what Dragonflight looked like to me as well. I did S1. Not even as hard as TWW S1. KSM and called it good, didn’t really raid during DF either.

And then I was done for the rest of the expansion.

That’s when I started Twinking. Was basically just looking for something to maintain some interest in playing WoW, and that carried the majority of the expansion for me.

I should probably just start unsubbing after the first season is done each expansion tbh. I mean, I probably won’t, but I should.

I am done unless something changes drastically.

Things that would bring me back with bells on:

Option to remove all pop-ups outside of error messages.
Option to opt-out of Warbands.
Player housing that allows me to create a home for each of my characters.

I am going to keep an eye on the developing situation up to and including the first few months of Midnight but without some serious course correct, I am going to give up, sell everything, give away my gold (it’s only a couple of hundred thousand but someone might appreciate it) and have my account deleted.

Oddly, at this point, what will break my heart the most is losing my cata intros so I might just strip the account of everything and leave it sitting there with a newly made lvl 1 human mage Silverleigh to try again when I retire at some point in the next ten years.

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Silverleigh, I’m sorry to have lost a player like you. You’re a good egg and I’ve enjoy talking to you on the forums.

Sending online hugs and if you don’t find yourself back hope you find something better!

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Warbands made achievement hunting easier than ever in a huge variety of ways. I enjoyed the fast leveling because then I don’t have to spend too much time leveling up my tank or healer for my Mythic+ fellows.

But the expectations you set on Player Housing seem rather high. My first assumption behind it is because it would take up too much space in the data centers. My second guess is because each toon would need their own coded instance from a btag account.

Imagine one btag with what, fifty toons in it. Yes, they exist.

And I don’t know about you, but I have a really awesome looking group on my Warbands. I’m about to make another edit.

Why are you guys addicted to collecting things for?

Is it a mental illness? or what?

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I pretty much only play this game to collect stuff. Doing content with other players is tedious these days. I have had some fun in delves I must admit. I’ll be pretty sad when it all gets shut down but I’ll always have the memories.

After being gone for 10 years, getting a lottle older and becoming disabled, has left my taste for group content to be a bit less than savory. Things are just a bit too fast paced for me to really keep up like I used to. So happily questing, doing follower dungeons when I can, farming for Mounts and occasionally achievements.

Maybe I’ll do LFR when I feel confident trying it and/or when I have a system to handle WoW a bit better. I am curious about Delves, how they work, what the experience is for solo and how well gear and other rewards can be from em.

Dunno how long Ill remain with WoW, if I’ll take breaks again or if I’ll get burnt out etc

I feel like I don’t play WoW correctly anymore.

Delves are soloable mini-dungeons. They aren’t mechanically complex (because they need to be doable by every class/spec) but things hit hard. This results in a less fast-paced, more methodical experience, having similar vibes to the older BC-Cata dungeons. A benefit of delves is that they aren’t timed so you can take a break whenever you want.

Their reward structure is the opposite of m+. M+ is very rng but infinitely farmable. Delve rewards are guaranteed but have weekly limits. M+ gears up in less calendar time while delves gear up with less time played.

The best gear from delves is obtained via crafting, making it even more deterministic. It would take half a season but a delve only player could gear up to a mid-mythic raid level if they were of a mind to do so. There are also cosmetics, mounts and transmogs unique to delves.

Thank you!

You too!

Chatting here, for better or worse, is something I am going to miss.

Before my last break, I gathered recommendations from here and tried them all but nothing was… the World.

I love this World, the artstyle, the environments, the ambiance, it’s everything I would imagine a fantasy world to be. The more realistic style and color palettes of game like Skyrim and Guild War 2 (which I still have on my computer) just leave me uninvolved.

(I blame the old Super Nintendo games like Zelda: Link the Past, Mystic Quest and Illusion of Gaia that I played ad nauseam back in the day :laughing: .)

I understand a lot of people are happy to play an account and run the same instances ad nauseam for M+ but not to level or earn achievements or any of the other activities Blizzard has rendered meaningless for individual characters, which is why I said:

Option to opt-out

Garrisons.

No, garrisons were not player housing but they were good-sized instanced areas where whole buildings could be placed, changed up, leveled up, decorated (hallows and xmas), added to (ie followers) as well as have a wealth of varied utility (ie mining) and scenarios (ie invasions) that created even more change and all that both were and are available for every character on every account.

(And I didn’t even touch on the shipyards where whole ships were built)

Given that it is ten years later and tech has moved forward, they could have easily used the old tech, expanded on it and created small instanced units able to be arranged and decorated with a variety of items. They didn’t even need to add any utility or scenarios making it even easier to create, store and maintain.

But no, instead of homes for your characters, Blizzard went with vanity showpieces for the account holder.

This choice had nothing to do with storage or tech and everything to do with appealing to player egos (which has been shown to be a great hook).

I don’t use the feature at all because my characters are not a warband. They do not go to war together. They do not adventure together. They can’t even go to the fair together.

It is just a cosmetic lie.

What Warbands did, in actual fact, was force the players into playing an account instead of having the ability to build individual characters.

Then they added insult to injury by rubbing your nose in it thru obnoxious pop-ups.

Both of which I hate.

Which is why I said for both:

Option to opt-out.

(And Blizzard’s choice to cherry-pick, the same way they are with ‘all races/all classes’ and ‘removing the faction divide’, instead of just going ‘carte blanche’ makes the whole situation even more moronic.)

Eight hours and counting.

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Its become quite formulaic and rinse repeat for a good while now. Its same car new coat of paint really. Only new innovation coming is player housing.

OP… i feel your pain. though, i more log on and just play alts. the game’s lost that feeling of excitement it had, back in legion. now it’s just… i don’t even know how to describe it, other than flavorless.

I enjoy the game personally, but like everything. Things can get boring if you do everything enough. I decided to level a warrior recently since I had played this character to its Apex or at least as far as I wanted to go. After a while it may feel more fun again.

You know, I never really minded the pop ups, and thought they were a nice call back to WC 3.

But they really bug me after you kill a boss, and the chat bubble pops up after the loot drops, and moves the loot on the screen.

I have accidentally clicked pass on something I wanted because the dialogue pop up shifted the position of the loot options on my screen.

Really?

I don’t remember a ‘You have earned renown {insert whatever number here}’ pop-up appearing thru-out the game to cover a fourth of the screen in WC3.

Perhaps being younger, I was more tolerant so they didn’t make a lasting impression.