Forsaken and Orc Rogues have saved Stormwind 3x in canon. Their class order hall’s main goal is saving the Alliance. Fun stuff.
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Its actually more like they gave the Horde the blue sandbox so they can play with the sand too.
If the Horde had their own sandbox there would be a tauren themed Druid camp for the druids.
I greatly hope for this in the future. Havin’ the Zandalari be their own unique spin on druids not associated with the Night Elves is a step in the direction I want them to take. Hopefully in the future the Cenarion Circle either become truly neutral and the narrative acknowledges all types of druids… or it becomes exclusively Night Elf/Worgen/Kul Tiran and the Horde get their own group.
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I’d rather they left Elune alone and unexplained because I just know they’re gonna screw her story up.
They’ll make her a maverick Titan or a Kaldorei Naaru or something stupid and end up retconning everything from WC3 to present. I just know it and am dreading it.
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You and me both i like my theory but i am good with no explanation
If the Cenarion Circle didn’t become Alliance exclusive in BfA it likely won’t ever be - even if it ever did, as we saw with Dalaran, they’d just as likely invite the Horde back again at some point.
Beyond that, there are no other types of Druids. The Tauren Druids and Darkspear Druids are Cenarion Druids. They’re not Sunwalkers and Witchdoctors. And while you might dislike that, Druid content doesn’t actually have any relevancy to Sunwalkers and Witchdoctors. Nor does Druid content really have any relevance to Zandalari Dinomancers, or any Troll loa for that matter. Most unfortunately, Tauren can’t even prove that their religion is real. And Troll loa have as much involvement in Druid matters as the August Celestials do - that is, none. So there’s nothing really to acknowledge beyond various people who have come to learn Cenarius’ ways.
Hell, if the Tauren really had stuck with Cenarius the way the Night Elves did after the War of the Ancients, hypothetically Tauren culture could have been indistinguishable from Night Elf culture under his influence.
I don’t see it happenin’ either.
No matter how much I want a complete and utter separation between the factions, Blizzard is set on a path where Horde and Alliance are goin’ to be led by Baine and Anduin in “love and friendship” and any uniqueness between the factions will die off.
I’ve wanted the Horde to have their own group of Mages that are no longer associated with Dalaran since Cataclysm… still haven’t gotten it and Horde mages continue to capitulate to the Humans.
At least I have Classic to look forward to this month where most of my wants are catered to.
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The Priest Order Hall is laughably bad where the Priest Class is the most culturally defined of all the races. And they chose to stick with Draenei architecture and the least imaginative cast of characters possible. Despite the cast, there were more humans and draenei rather than any other race.
The lack of gnomes, taurens, trolls, and even Blood Elves was pathetic.
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I can’t say that they all felt alliance leaning but depending on the race you play the order hall can just feel completely wrong and leave you disconnected.
Forsaken warrior in my case, I have Odyn saying strength above all else valor and all that.
Eyir yelling that I am unworthy when I’m essentially a higher position than her being odyns champion.
Nathanos has me killing the alliance in the area.
Sylvanas- has me killing val’kyr and co to get to eyir.
I stole Helya’s blades and made them my own yet Sylvanas and helya are working together so why is she super pissed at me the second time we meet once she see’s I’m with Sylvanas.
Odyn is playing both sides and having them kill each other for valor and all that not that I’m complaining but you’d think he’d direct us more toward the legion to prove our valor
I kill helya likely ruining Sylvanas plans
What I’m getting at is, it all feels like one big mind rhymes with luck lots of unnecessary steps for a goal that should be pretty easy to reach considering I’m essentially a champion to both sides, and it feels like splinter cell double agent where I’m constantly helping yet hurting both factions that I’m apart of trying to to piss of one side or the other
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Hey look, another Pheandra “I hate the Horde, so lets slyly bash them” thread. It must be a day that ends in y.
If you can come up with any other ideas besides how much you hate the Horde and how useless they are, I’ll eat my own hat.
One dimensional indeed.
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I love you too man.
The fact that the troll representation in the priest order hall is a troll that learned light with human knowledge because he somehow got into the future Scarlet Monastery instead of merely learning it with loas or something was the kick in the face to anyone hoping for non-human/draenei themes in that Order Hall.
Although I would like to say this is the major flaw of that order hall storyline, but the paladins saving the priests and having a priest convert to paladin was just… oof. I wonder what priests thought about that.
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-Neutral
-Alliance Organization
How does one be both neutral and Alliance?
You have an organization named Knights of the Silverhand that was created to fight the Horde.
A few years later you make that organization neutral for an Orderhall.
Thats how.
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Obviously they’ll feel included since they’re not a kill on sight.
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The priest orderhall having no purpose but to be damsels in distress so the paladins could swoop in and salivate over being the big ol’ Heroes was yikes to the highest degree.
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Lol, not really. There’s that whole thing where pretty much every Order Hall with 1-3 exceptions were all founded by and are crewed by races who all traditionally were in a mutual “Hated” rep with Trolls as a collective.
Who wouldn’t be pulled out of their immersion at a Troll being the head of a Human/Draenei Light themed Priest organization?
The Uncrowned are based in the Dalaran sewers and have Humans, Elves, and focus on political landscapes a Darkspear Rogue would have no care for(Stormwind, for example). So why would such a Rogue have the influence(or inclination) to lead them?
I’d be surprised if a single Troll had set foot on Val’sharah since before the Sundering. Also, a Troll leading a primarily Kaldorei themed Order Hall? Maybe a Tauren, but I don’t see anyone believing a Darkspear Troll was the canonical Archdruid.
Trolls may practice Fel magic on the side, like they do every other type of magic, but leading the Warlock Hall? Who would think, “Oh yeah a Darkspear Troll totally could be the most powerful and respected Warlock in this organization of Orcs, Humans, etc… There’s no history to make it believable. Though this one doesn’t feel non-Horde, per-say.
On the other hand, I can see Trolls joining the Unseen Path, there’s less inherent national ties in regards to racial kingdoms like with the Sanctum of Light. That said, members yes, but leader? I’d feel a bit out of place among the many Dwarves, Elves, others… It’d be hard to see everyone acting all deferential to a Troll Hunter without raising an eyebrow.
Maybe it’s just my perspective on Trolls being basically Persona non Grata pretty much everywhere occupied by Dwarves, Elves, Humans, or universally hostile mob races that makes it hard to believe a Troll would even be a part of these specific circles. Especially given the way each Hall was given a unifying theme that often times could be such that inserting a Troll into it strains my SOD
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What’s really fascinating to me here is that OP has managed to compile a pretty accurate and astute observation about the lack of Horde lore in Legion as well as the ‘sideshow’ nature of horde storylines, the fact that the entire playerbase will follow Khadgar or Tirion or Brann or Magni or Tyrande or whatever in neutral content throughout the game, but if I’m looking at a tauren or a troll or whatever then it MUST be Horde content, and the only exception was Thrall in Cataclysm which many Alliance players reacted to… poorly.
You’ve done all this… and yet somehow the thought hasn’t crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe, Blizzard’s writing has kind of let the Horde players down? You’re still pushing this weird opinion that because you don’t like Horde storylines, nobody does and nobody should be allowed to, and the fictional races of the Horde are somehow to blame for the fact that Blizzard is always ignoring Horde races unless it’s time for the villify-then-redeem beatstick?
Like… you’re saying all the things I would say, and somehow you’re drawing the complete opposite conclusion? I didn’t feel represented in the Paladin Order Hall or the Priest Order Hall or the Rogue or the Mage or the Druid or a ton, and I mean a ton of Legion content. And yet somehow it’s the Horde’s fault that Blizzard just can’t be bothered to write for them unless it’s a faction war?
Have a little empathy for your fellow players, is all I’m saying. I really like the Horde. I really like orcs and trolls and tauren and goblins and blood elves and Forsaken (and I LOVE the nightborne) and I like all of them working together, and I like all of them being heroes, preserving and protecting each other, even if their methods and their ethos at times are very dark. I’m not wrong for feeling that way. Blizzard told me that’s the way it would be, and it sometimes still is, I can see that promised land of Horde lore in the quests in Zandalar, where the Horde can be downright heroic as long as there’s no Alliance (or flanderized goblin lemmings) around.
I come here to discuss the story of the game that I love and express my frustrations with some of Blizzard’s choices, and it’s disheartening to see that so many Alliance players have Othered me to such a degree that they really, truly believe I shouldn’t get what I want, just because of things that Blizzard made the pixels that represent me do. Why not? We all pay our sub fees. We should all be happy with the story.
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Ask Velen.
Absolutely.
As a Forsaken main I RP this toon as a retired Argent Crusader. The Argent Dawn has the most Forsaken NPCs outside the Horde and even then more than most of Kalimdor’s spots did.
Likewise an Undead was also the leader of the Priest hall class.
There haven’t been too many Argent Undead NPCs post Wrath - outside The Broken shore intro at least wherein all the survivors where Undead, but my head canon is most either staid in Northrend or repatriated to the Forsaken. There’s just not much of a role for them in a mostly neutralized Plaguelands. Whereas Northrend has plenty of mindless undead to snack on.