Dishonorable Kills Need to be in Phase 3; not Phase 2

[Ðavyjones-tichondrius]

You should of broughten this up much earlier!

Others have pointed this out. But it was buried under a mountain of layering posts.

we are to close to the finish line now

We have no idea how close we are to Phase 2 let alone Phase 3.

It actually is an easy fix but I truly do not know.

It is…

Like others of said we are getting progressive content, not systems.

They are being cute by half with these claims. DKs are a part of a system that provides content. Having them in P2 changes the authenticity and that has been stated as the main goal of the Classic Development. And one of the reasons we are getting layering…

2.Push out the Honor System to Phase 3 with BGs(which would also be a change for obvious reasons.)

No… in Vanilla the honor system was in the game for a full two months before BGs were live. During this time there were no DKs and a few people were able to farm out high ranks of honor. Once DKs hit world PvP was very risky for people trying to gain GM/HW. DKs were put in the game to lessen the killing of opposite faction quest NPCs. In practice DKs became a tool of griefing same faction PvPers.

[Eaglesgift-ravenholdt (Eaglesgift)]

The game will be fine. Classic begins in a few weeks and I plan to have fun.

[Abhimanyu-dragonmaw]

I don’t care what Blizzard says I stand by what I said. DKs should be in the game at the same time they were put in vanilla.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Cool. We’re not getting progressive systems.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

You should of broughten this up much earlier!

You know the funny thing. Back when the PVP content plan came out, and the No DHKs thing happened, I was a supporter of the progressive DHK stuff, but now that we know how the system’s logic is working, fighting this is a lost cause and isn’t going to happen.

[Ogimirak-medivh]

@Eloraell-moon-guard

@Kaivax

This means that while content will be unlocked progressively to allow for each raid tier to shine, systems such as class design, battleground mechanics, and stats on existing items will all be set to their final 1.12 conditions.

Bu the Honor System is not being introduced until Phase 3, so it’s obvious that systems will be changing from Classic Launch until Phase 6.

Also, describing “stats on items” as systems is pretty bizarre.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Bu the Honor System is not being introduced until Phase 3

The Honor System is being enabled in Phase 2. It’s already in the game as evidenced in the Stress Test and the Beta. You simply can’t generate HK’s (or DHKs) until Phase 2.

[Hammis-tortheldrin]

I spent another day thinking about it and I’ve changed my mind. I would prefer DHKs be removed from Phase2 and Included in Phase3.

This most likely won’t happen but I do think it is preferable. So put a mark on your belt Davy… you changed my mind.

[Ðavyjones-tichondrius]

The Honor System is being enabled in Phase 2. It’s already in the game as evidenced in the Stress Test and the Beta. You simply can’t generate HK’s (or DHKs) until Phase 2.

Disabling DKs for Phase 2 and then Enabling DKs for Phase 3 is very simple and absolutely should be done for the Authenticity of Vanilla World PvP.

you changed my mind.

One at a time sir. We have months and months to make this happen!!

[Melaneth-dalaran]

Still say it would be far more fun to swap DKs and HKs, so that killing players is a DK, and killing questgivers is an HK.

[Dokta-gurubashi]

I wasnt in the game this early, but are you saying you could kill a town, and rank up in PvP that way? Without fighting players?

[Hammis-tortheldrin]

I wasnt in the game this early, but are you saying you could kill a town, and rank up in PvP that way? Without fighting players?

Well It is a PvE raid in open world, so opposing players can attempt to stop you.

Think Darkness Falls in DAoC. A PvE dungeon designed to induce PvP. An event that promotes community interaction and PvP.

You are marching into a capital city like Stormwind or Orgrimmar, in open world with no instance to shield you, to kill the racial leader in the middle of that city, there will be PvP.

[Ogimirak-medivh]

Bu the Honor System is not being introduced until Phase 3

The Honor System is being enabled in Phase 2. It’s already in the game as evidenced in the Stress Test and the Beta. You simply can’t generate HK’s (or DHKs) until Phase 2.

Well then they can just as easily enable DHKs in Phase 3. They are already in the game as well.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Well then they can just as easily enable DHKs in Phase 3.

[Melaneth-dalaran]

Bu the Honor System is not being introduced until Phase 3

The Honor System is being enabled in Phase 2. It’s already in the game as evidenced in the Stress Test and the Beta. You simply can’t generate HK’s (or DHKs) until Phase 2.

Well then they can just as easily enable DHKs in Phase 3. They are already in the game as well.

Not necessarily. Depends on how the programming for the system is laid out.

[Ðavyjones-tichondrius]

Without fighting players?

No you cannot. Killing Non PvP NPCs will LOWER your Honor. Very Quickly.

[Dokta-gurubashi]

No you cannot. Killing Non PvP NPCs will LOWER your Honor. Very Quickly.

Right, but killing PvP Flagged NPC’s, that was a method for grinding? Because if so, I’m going mage and AOE grinding towns.

[Ðavyjones-tichondrius]

No if memory is not faulty only Faction Leaders gave you any honor… not random grunts in Crossroads.

[Rofo-jubeithos]

I wasnt in the game this early, but are you saying you could kill a town, and rank up in PvP that way? Without fighting players?

Between the honor system and the introduction of BG’s everyone was at TM/SS 24/7 as well as Winterspring and the occasional city raid, and that’s how you ranked up - killing other faction in world PvP. With the introduction of DK’s just 1 would demolish your honour gain, and everyone was too afraid to AoE or group up for fear of it. So people sat in cities/outside the BG’s instead duelling. That’s how world PvP died.

Edit: NPC’s gave you nothing except the city bosses, but you weren’t punished for them.

[Hammis-tortheldrin]

I don’t care what Blizzard says I stand by what I said. DKs should be in the game at the same time they were put in vanilla.

I would prefer it too, DKs in at Phase 3, instead of Phase 2.

That would give Phase 2 a chance to have city raiding.