Disc priest questions

I don’t have a ton of experience on raid oracle disc.

Honestly, just looking at numbers, Oracle disc should be significantly far behind Voidweaver in raid ramp style, because the way it heals doesn’t scale very well. Its atonement healing is generally much weaker than VW - and it gets reduced by 100% just by being in raid. At the very least, you can abuse having a whole lot of PW:R with bright pupil, insight and Clairvoyance. But it IS gonna be tough to hang with meta builds.
I didn’t give it too much thought (though I probably should try it on reclears, lol) but if I was going to play it I’d probably play more a ‘traditional healer.’ Than playing the ramp style, because Voidweaver will beat it on the ramp style by like 50%.

You can obviously full ramp for Uppies because it’s still a ridiculous amount of healing, but since you don’t have the bender+blast ramps, a lot of the rest of the fight you need to play more reactive.

Having not played it I obviously can’t be super confident in what I suggest (so take it with a grain of salt), but I’d basically play: CAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW4BMmZmlxYGY2mZZmZGzMzAAAAAAAAAAAwsYZ2w2MzgZhZbGzMGmtFohmZZGAzsgFKGz2AM2wC

Use my insights for PW:R more often during lighter damage, cast PW:S on CD, Cast offensive Penance on CD, Sfiend/Rapture when medium damage is going out, Uppies ramps for the heaviest damage.

I kept contrition in the build because you have it in yours - you can kind of play spot healer with that and use defensive penance instead of offensive. A bit of an annoying math problem but Contrition does less healing when you’ve got around 11 people atoned. So during light damage you can use it defensively in a spot healing way. If you can get full value out of healing penance it’s pretty good, but if you’re gonna overheal a lot, the offensive penance is better.

If you’re taking overloaded with Light, I’m fairly certain it smart heals and picks non-atoned targets to apply it to. So you only need to get 10 atonements out in a 20 man. You can do this with 2x radiance if you want. You could also do a rapture ramp with it, and it should be fairly easy to get 10 out with PW:S>Renew/FH>Renew/FH>PW:S etc before a mechanic.

As far as mind blast before uppies - sure. It’s for Schism though, as it doesn’t give uppies power of the dark side.

Yeah, this is somewhat true. Pretty much all healers this xpac are saving their cooldowns for the AoE damage and oracle isn’t an exception there. You need rapture/prem for the worst of it, usually.

If you’re oracle, Flash Heal is something you’ll be hitting more often, but it’s not ideal to be spamming it because it’s rather expensive. You generally shouldn’t lean on it unless people need the healing now, and PW:S should take priority on people taking heavy damage, but your flash heals reduce your PW:S cooldown, so if someone’s taking a lot of damage it’s fine to flash heal into your shield. You should be spamming Smite any time you can, as it reduces penance, too. But you’re not gonna see giant heals from Smite - it’s more maintenance healing. If the party’s lightly damaged and nothing is coming up, yeah you’re fine to not immediately top people off and spam smite instead (it also generates surge of light procs for free flash heals). With your tier set it will also feed into your next PW:S, so it’s worth casting a lot.

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Thanks again :3

I pugged normal and I think it went good. M+ is still going well. More mastery coming in and things are starting to feel really good. I am getting used to the various uses of premonition too.

Kinda neat uppies cheese some boss knockbacks/roots

I am excited to see how things go at 620/630 ilvls. :3

Now if only I could get some trinkets to drop :dragon:

It depends on the activity you are going to focus for verse and mastery. If you want to raid prog mastery is best for spot healing, verse is goldy in m+ and doubles the effect of fade.

How does vers double fade’s 10% dr?

Unless you mean stack Versatility up to 20% so that I get another passive 10% dr?

I am a bit confused.

I did get some untimed 10’s around 612-615 ilvl and I am still learning to rotate different defensives, but I didn’t feel like I needed to add any vers into the mix to survive anything specific, and as far as I know mastery is probably more of a healing buff where as vers isn’t as strong of a healing stat and is harder to stack. I also don’t think I am ready to give up my 46% mastery or 20% haste to stack vers to 20% just for another 10% dr, I think that would be a noticeable hps loss no?

Oracle has pretty beefy shields already to extend my health which when combined with fade/DPrayer seem pretty strong. Plus pain supp’s second charge if I need it for me. Barrier.

I felt like my atonement/burst needs more of a boost which is why I pumped mastery from 20% ish to 46% while keeping 20% haste. I feel like if I wanted to stack vers Id probably lose out on a good chunk healing. Shielding people was good/strong, but I needed more oomph when healing people back up after. More mastery seems to have helped greatly with this tbh, but if there is something I am missing, or if vers is THAT good for oracle, please let me know :3

Verse helps your overall healing. When I use a flask I’m at 32% haste, 27% mastery, 14% verse. The verse gives me 7% DR and pumps my AOE healing by 14%, I could get another 18% in spot healing, or have 14% overall, and 7% dr.

Stats are 3k crit, 18k haste, 5.8k mastery, 11k verse. I also play void weaver so I don’t really ever have to spot heal, only on corruption in GB, or when someone stands in bad.

Thread isn’t about voidweaver. Thanks for the input though. I think Ill stick with what I am doing, seems to be working for me.

Why ask for help if you’re gonna ignore it? If you want to push go vw. Oracle is hopelessly undertuned.

archon .gg/wow/builds/discipline/priest/mythic-plus/talents/10/all-dungeons/this-week

You maybe the literal only oracle priest who still plays. VW has 100% spec representation in m+.

I did not ask for VW tips/stats and you are not doing me any favors by telling me to go VW in an oracle thread. Nor did I ever say I was “pushing” keys. I asked for specific info about oracle disc 2 weeks ago when I knew nothing about the spec because no one made an official guide and I haddnt played priest since cata.

Vers is a less useful stat for me seeing as I wont be pushing past 10’s, so I might as well go into other stats for more healing gain. I also literally just made this toon for fun 2 weeks ago and I didn’t have squish issues in the untimed 10’s we did at 612 -615ilvl - so I wont be stacking vers in any way. AutmaticJak’s guides also put vers at the very bottom of his lists for both hero trees. ( which makes sense because it probably only starts gaining value the higher you go in m+ and only if you need it to survive certain mechanics )

Priest discord also kinda confirming this too:

“The dmg and the healing part of vers ofc exist but those are just less than crit and mastery provide regardless. In reality to mirror the effect that flash heal dr gives you youd need to increase your vers from 7% to 26.3%, and in doing so you will lower your overall healing by a not insignificant amount”

“vers is the lowest output stat for healing for us. You barely need it (for defensive value) in m+ because you can just give yourself an extra 50% health whenever you want with shields”

So, again, thanks…but I think I will be fine. I would talent into the flash heal DR before I stack 20% vers at the expense of my other stats tbh.

Do you know where i can find rotation? Im struggling a bit with the premise of healing.

Specifically m+ and pvp.

I havent healed since pandaria, and that was on a monk. Im just tired of playing a melee.

I typically use the aoe heal to get atonement, or shield / renews, dots on mobs, pop pet, mind blast and start nuking. But i havent done hard content yet that might have burst moments etc and want to at least understand that fundamental before bricking keys.