Disabling XP Gains on 110+ Characters

[Jmanwarrior-darkspear (Jmanwarrior)]

You and the company you represent are an everlasting joke.

[Morgueart-kul-tiras (Morgueart)]

Now it’s being used for boosting each other alts. They find this to be regressive bahavior. They clearly don’t like it. They need to improve on it.

That’s the spin, remember they will say anything to try and obfuscate the real reasons. I can name a dozen examples of this kind of dishonest communication by what is now a company wanting to earn money without doing the work.

When they merged non english speaking servers with North America to make money on a non-viable amount of players in the latin american region, the spin was: ‘now’s your chance to learn a new language!’ gimme a break, same with crz, we want to make the world have more players, that was spin, what it did do was reduce the amount of hardware they needed, reduced bandwidth costs, at the expense of server communities.

Can’t spit down my neck and tell me it’s raining blizz. You’ve lost any credibility with your customers long ago. You’ve also lost 100’s of millions in annual revenue, not many cyclical players returned. Now your stockholders have caught wind of the stench and you are losing both.

[Velara-gilneas (Velara)]

Now it’s being used for boosting each other alts. They find this to be regressive bahavior. They clearly don’t like it. They need to improve on it.

That’s the spin, remember they will say anything to try and obfuscate the real reasons. I can name a dozen examples of this kind of dishonest communication by what is now a company wanting to earn money without doing the work.

When they merged non english speaking servers with North America to make money on a non-viable amount of players in the latin american region, the spin was: ‘now’s your chance to learn a new language!’ gimme a break, same with crz, we want to make the world have more players, that was spin, what it did do was reduce the amount of hardware they needed, reduced bandwidth costs, at the expense of server communities.

Can’t spit down my neck and tell me it’s raining blizz. You’ve lost any credibility with your customers long ago. You’ve also lost 100’s of millions in annual revenue, not many cyclical players returned. Now your stockholders have caught wind of the stench and you are losing both.

Well stated, true and spot bloody ON.

[Cyouskin-stormreaver (Cyous)]

Which is absolutely no skin off Blizzard’s nose. In fact, they are going to lose even more subs if they keep cutting off what the players consider to be “fun”.

“The players” are extremely diverse. Many players, including myself, feel their original idea for resolving the issue was a bad idea. And within a couple hours, they decided against it and would consider a different option. If they are still going to change it, then so be it, I’d rather them create a solution that won’t negatively impact any players.

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Also, I’m not an employee nor do I represent the company. Lol.

[Velara-gilneas (Velara)]

Which is absolutely no skin off Blizzard’s nose. In fact, they are going to lose even more subs if they keep cutting off what the players consider to be “fun”.

“The players” are extremely diverse. Many players, including myself, feel their original idea for resolving the issue was a bad idea. And within a couple hours, they decided against it and would consider a different option. If they are still going to change it, then so be it, I’d rather them create a solution that won’t negatively impact any players.

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Also, I’m not an employee nor do I represent the company. Lol.

They don’t need to change it.

They need to FIX leveling so that a 120 FEELS more powerful than a 110 instead of roadblocking players who are trying to have fun in this game.

[Jmanwarrior-darkspear (Jmanwarrior)]

I didnt tag u tho

[Cyouskin-stormreaver (Cyous)]

They don’t need to change it.

They need to FIX leveling so that a 120 FEELS more powerful than a 110 instead of roadblocking players who are trying to have fun in this game.

I literally posted “They need to improve on it.” And leveling is already a joke. It takes a few days of casually playing to reach 120 from 110.

The “power” you’re speaking of is about ~4 tiers from Legion to T0 BFA. This hasn’t changed in 13 years. You’ve always been comparatively weaker at the start of an expansion when compared to the final tier of the previous expansion.

I didnt tag u tho

Your post followed mine (and many folks don’t tag it with reply). If that’s not the case, then so be it.

[Jmanwarrior-darkspear (Jmanwarrior)]

Well lemme clarify in this odd misunderstanding despite not replying to you in question . It was directed towards the blue and Blizz as a whole.

[Velara-gilneas (Velara)]

They don’t need to change it.

They need to FIX leveling so that a 120 FEELS more powerful than a 110 instead of roadblocking players who are trying to have fun in this game.

I literally posted “They need to improve on it.” And leveling is already a joke. It takes a few days of casually playing to reach 120 from 110.

I didnt tag u tho

Your post followed mine (and many folks don’t tag it with reply). If that’s not the case, then so be it.

It’s not the time involved. Obviously if players bought the Xpac they intend to spend the time.

It’s that your 120 toon feels like a wet noodle compared to your 110.

[Cyouskin-stormreaver (Cyous)]

I know. I’m explaining why I thought you may have been referring to me.

[Jmanwarrior-darkspear (Jmanwarrior)]

Umm no tho.

[Hardwire-velen (Hardwire)]

This hasn’t changed in 13 years. You’ve always been comparatively weaker at the start of an expansion when compared to the final tier of the previous expansion.

I have not always been able to walk into an expansion with prepatch catchup gear and watch myself get progressively weaker while gaining levels and ilvl, though. The defenders can repeat this claptrap as much as they want, but the problem is a scaling issue.

When MoP dropped, I rolled a panda hunter, leveled to 85, and ran around Tol Barad murdering spiders for leather while I waited for a friend to catch up, so we could experience Pandaria together. Please be clear, I had not raided in Cata - I didn’t start raiding at all until WoD - so I didn’t have your “4 tiers” of power progression. I don’t even think I had any blue gear.

My friend catches up, we get through the Pandaria opening scenario, we walk outside of Paw’don Village and hit barrage. Immediately, three orc peons and a porcupine ate our faces, and we went, “Whoa! Pandaria 85s hit way harder than Cata 85s, we’d better go get some better gear.”

Contrast this to my boosted Horde monk this expansion, who walked into Zuldazar with 220 prepatch gear and 1 legendary and immediately started mowing down entire PACKS of mobs. Just like my Alliance monk, who entered the expansion with BiS legendaries, a fully leveled (if depowered) artifact weapon, and a combination of normal and heroic Antorus gear. Only as I leveled, my ability to pull mobs decreased, until I was literally blowing cooldowns if I pulled more than one mob at a time. And that crippling weakness lasted until I was over 340 ilvl.

Dang right I XP locked my Horde toon before she could go above 111! Who in their right mind WOULDN’T?

[Lorendil-illidan]

My boost then XP turned off at 115…

I dare ya…

[Velara-gilneas (Velara)]

Gifting objects with these attributes just robs the player character of power progression.

This lets the devs re-prune us every expansion, because they aren’t taking away OUR abilities, they’re taking away our glued-on “progression”. And people will defend it with “well, every expac you replace your old raid purples with quest greens, that’s NORMAL” like blind sheep.

Combined with the fact that scaling is broken so we get weaker as we level instead of stronger, and, well…you have the mess we’re in.

LOL. And obviously this system has worked very well.

[Cyouskin-stormreaver (Cyous)]

The defenders can repeat this claptrap as much as they want, but the problem is a scaling issue .

That scaling allows you to pick a different zone to work through. Out-leveling zones was a major complaint, and continues to be a major complaint for many, especially in TBC and WOTLK content (only recently was it address iirc).

As for leveling up but getting weaker. You just feel weaker. (It’s still an issue.) You are definitely doing more damage, have more health, etc. Scaling works against you here.

When MoP dropped, I rolled a panda hunter, leveled to 85, and ran around Tol Barad murdering spiders for leather while I waited for a friend to catch up, so we could experience Pandaria together.

No stat squish had occurred yet. Makes sense to me. Hunter were really strong at the start of MOP too, i recall leveling being a joke for my alt. Stepping into MOP content with normal gear from cata, it felt like every other expac. It was designed for something with more gear.

Only as I leveled, my ability to pull mobs decreased, until I was literally blowing cooldowns if I pulled more than one mob at a time. And that crippling weakness lasted until I was over 340 ilvl.

Melee has it easy this expansion. I guarantee your experience will be different on a caster. It’s mostly due to how bursty they are. And WW Monk is very, very bursty.

My DK took about half as long to level as my Warlock.

Luckily, reaching 330 (where scaling makes no difference) was extremely easy, even before M+ was unlocked.

[Handcake-hyjal (Handcake)]

If they take away the fun of 110s, I am gone. I do not find 2hrs of a content a month doing the warfronts actually worth the cost of a sub. I don’t do active raids on a regular basis, and so many people have left my server that I am not making the amount it costs to buy a token each month with my AH sales. I am not paying cash for something I don’t find fun…

[Hardwire-velen (Hardwire)]

You are definitely doing more damage, have more health, etc. Scaling works against you here.

Yes, it does. Because while the raw numbers I see may be going up, the percentages clearly are not. If I’m doing 8% damage to a mob’s health and taking 10% to my health, am I really stronger than I was when I was doing 15% damage and taking 5% damage, even if the raw numbers look bigger? I’m going to argue that I am not, and it’s not just a feeling. It objectively takes longer to kill things as we level, because we are doing a smaller percentage of damage, even if the numbers on screen go up. That’s not growing stronger.

Stepping into MOP content with normal gear from cata, it felt like every other expac. It was designed for something with more gear.

Why, yes, that is how stepping into new content should feel. It’s almost like that was my entire point! It shouldn’t feel like you’re a god who grows more feeble with every level gained.

And WW Monk is very, very bursty.

I’m a brewmaster.

It doesn’t really matter how easy it is to get to 330 (and I’d say 340 is really where you start to feel like you may be getting stronger) if the trip from 110 to 120 feels like a downhill slide into mud.

[Ninjalooter-area-52]

couldn’t you just redesign scaling so that characters get more powerful as they level

Players getting stronger as they level… that seems too radical of an idea. I don’t think Blizzard, a mainstream company, would risk implementing it.

[Taethis-shadow-council]

Wow…apparently you’ve never heard of people who haven’t been through Legion yet and would like to run dungeons and don’t have a ton of people to run them with. Some of us stay capped at 110 so we CAN run dungeons through the dungeon finder! Remember who pays your bills, Blizzard. It is NOT the prima donna streamers out there. It’s the run-of-the-mill folks who play for stress relief and enjoyment!

And yes, this toon is above 110 because I forgot about the level cap ability before it was too late.

[Voidmalign-proudmoore (Voidmalign)]

If Blizzard wants to maintain as many subs as possible then it would be a horrendous decision to kill off a whole twink bracket. I know that when I am bored of the main game I sometimes make twinks rather than taking a break, this would be the last straw to unsub for many.

I mean, Blizz can do what they want but cutting off alternative ways to play doesn’t seem wise at all.