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Why are there so many two-handed weapons for warriors with on-hit effects…but only one weapon, that is one-handed, that has an on-hit effect this season?
I get it, Single Minded Fury warrior isn’t “meta” or “optimal” but maybe it’s more about being able to play the spec you want to and have fun with it, as opposed to worrying about whatever everybody else is doing?

I love Single Minded Fury. It’s the best and most fun way to play a warrior for me. And every expansion, it just get shafted or ignored and always get some after-thought weapons. Pretty much every other melee class has some kind of on-hit weapons, but not SMF Warrior? I mean heck, my rogue can dual-wield those cool one-handed weapons from the Dinar vendor…but nobody else gets that option.

Any way, we can get some more love?
I get it, again I get it. “Everybody” loves running around with two giant weapons, clearly overcompensating for their lack of finesse by being just…extra.
I prefer to be more subtle. Faster. More furious. Always in a state of being enraged, yet still cogent enough to strategize.

And removing Annihilation? Just rip the bandaid off. Stop pretending you want SMF in the game and just go with all the crybabies worried about the whopping 4.7-5.3% damage difference in every sim. If 5% if all the difference, all they have to do is properly buff the talent. Margins that thin can just be cut through with ease.

But instead Blizzard just keeps intentionally making the choice into a mandatory talent decision where you pick “getting invited to groups or not” is absolutely unfair. No other single talent has this much hatred for it, and only because instead of fixing the SINGLE POINT TALENT…they would instead rework the entire warrior tree and strip all potential out of that one talent point, just to make one talent choice as unappealing and impractical as possible.

Stop hating SMF. It makes no sense to crush a talent so hard when it fits the warrior theme so well. Maybe I am misremembering, but I recall a time where fury was SMF by default because Titan’s Grip was a talent, not a passive.
And even there, they show their favoritism! Titans Grip was so popular they made it baseline, but because they keep making SMF feel like crap, nobody plays it so naturally nobody wants it in the game.

Blizzard is out here literally creating their own problems only to never solve them and make the players feel unheard for years.

Transmog opening up isn’t the solution. Single-Minded Fury is a playstyle, not an appearance. It has effects, not illusory vibes…

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I cant tell if your a mage or warrior lol

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I prefer “Warrior Sage”, but yeah.

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It’s not a viable playstyle. It’s been confirmed that SMF is a talent there for RP uses and isn’t meant to be a viable playstyle.

If you choose to play it that’s fine but it’s never going to be a viable playstyle as the devs feel TG is how fury is designed to be played.

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Warrior? Isn’t it worse if you’re Assassination Rogue? And possibly some other class/spec.

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I assume the reason there are more 2h strength weapons with equip effects than 1h is because way more classes want to use 2h strength (or for BiS, 2h int/agi) than 1h strength items.

Still not sure why fury can’t just transmog 2h/1h outside of their artifacts but I can see why the strength weapon itemization favors 2hers

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Rogue/Monk/DH/Shaman don’t use 1h strength weapons.

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I covered that. IT is viable, blizzard just keeps taking away things like Annihilation and other such talents that keep making SMF even more unviable.

And I can’t think of anything more fierce than a Warrior using two swords, attacking three times faster than any other warrior, going into a full blown berserker mode.
The devs who don’t play the game seem to have a different vision than the people who do.
WHo would have thunk it?

no, damn near every expansion has at least 3-4 on-hit weapons for rogues / enhancement. Two specs is more important than one spec.

all they have to do is buff SMF talent by like a whopping 5%. THey just buffed paladins by 15% again, so is it really too much to ask that a certain talent get buffed to be more viable?

yeah. but they were asking about equivalents. They, I believe, thought that rogues and shaman don’t get a whole lot of on-hit weapons, but agi on-hit weapons are more common since Rogue, Monk, DH, and Shaman can all use those kinds of weapons.
Meanwhile, I think only two specs use one-handed weapons. Oh, Three. Paly Tank, Warrior Tank, and SMF warrior. I guess some people dual-wield frost dk? I haven’t played frost since Wrath, so I don’t know…

But my whole point, is that instead of intentionally making SMF even worse, buff it and more people will pick it. More people doing more different things is never a bad thing. It just adds more variety in the way that people can explore Azeroth without needlessly complicating things.

Again, transmog unlocks aren’t the answer. The only valid solution is to just buff the one damned talent point. The way Blizzard acts, you would think that balancing out SMF would delete the game or something, jesus christ! It’s a 5% damage difference, literally 80k dps difference which isn’t much. Just make SMF give you a 10% damage increase instead of 5% or however the math checks out.

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It’s not.

Playable yes. Viable no.

Again because it’s designed for rp

Again you’re missing the point.

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don’t ignore the rest of what I said. it’s only unviable because blizzard keeps nerfing it, so the solution is to buff it back up. literally take that passive 5% damage bonus, and turn it up to 10%. Wow, gamebreaking…

And role players should just go kick rocks? You really want to dump on such a huge part of the community and try taking Blizzards side in a silly argument?

No, I get it just fine.
You just seem to think that blizzard is utterly incapable of giving a talent a 5% buff, when they just did it to a lot of specs with specific talents…

Warriors aren’t asking for much. Yet you act, yet again, as if it’s some sort of impossible task that will break the entire game for everybody…In reality, it’s just balancing the scales out.

When the people who design the class, make it intentionally crappy…is it any surprise when nobody likes it and nobody finds it viable?
IT’s like designing shoes with spikes in them, and then being surprised that nobody wants to buy your Shoes of Pain…

And don’t try telling me your argument is some kind of devils’ advocate kind of nonsense. you just intentionally ignored what I said when it was inconvenient to your point, but then turned around and repeated it to me in a later paragraph as if you had some new point that was never said before…

Blizzard botched SMF, so therefore they can fix it as well. And I know at least a few hundred warriors who would love to give it a try, if only it wasn’t designed so poorly intentionally.

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Which part of “Blizzard has stated that SMF is an Roleplaying talent only “ are you not understanding?

If you aren’t pushing high end content the dps difference doesn’t matter.

You aren’t doing any content where it matters if it’s a viable dps spec.

The same thing applies to BM hunters when using animal companion compared to the single pet option.

You actually dont.

Nope. Its that they have explicitly stated they don’t intent for SMF to ever be viable as it’s a role play talent only.

My man. You can’t botch something that’s not intended to be viable.

A few hundred warriors isn’t even worth the dev time out of millions of warriors.
I also know you’re pulling that number out of your behind.

End of the day you need to accept that SMF isn’t designed or intended to be viable.

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you can by intentionally removing any supporting talents…or by nerfing the main one and the supporting talents. both have been done by blizzard, so yeah, they botched it.

Which part of “if they made it, they can unmake it” do you not understand?
And they are full of crap. If they were worried about role play, they wouldnt have removed over a hundred class quests from the game. They wouldn’t have made the trainers literally null npcs…They just don’t like SMF so they keep nerfing it to make people not like it at all.
Big difference between that and “unviable”.

Planned Obsolescence and all that.

That’s not what I asked and you know it. Stop being disingenuous. It’s ugly.

shown you several times that I do.

again, if they wanted it as a role play, they would have just went with the other suggestions people made and make smf be purely cosmetic with a glyph or some such.
THey never did and still won’t, so clearly that’s not their intent.
And I am telling you, again, that nobody cares what blizzard thinks about it and there are plenty of warriors that want it in the game.

there’s a subreddit and a discord. why is it hard to believe there are that many warriors who want it?
And then you can’t forget that many of them are against smf simply because it’s not optimal. AGain, when blizzard intentionally nerfs and poops on a talent, it’s no surprise that fewer and fewer people ask about it. That’s the point. They want to take teh talent out entirely, but too many people still want it so they do this backhanded nonsense.

You, are the one who doesn’t get it. You miss the whole piont.

end of the day, you need to accept that player advocacy is what gets changes made sometimes. And if we never speak up, how can they ever know people want a thing?
I know they want it one way, but the players want something different and are being ignored for the vanity of a bunch of people who don’t play the game…

I don’t know why you think you are somehow superiour or showing me something I already didn’t know.
You just don’t seem to get what the actual issue is.
Blizzard made the uninformed decision to completely change the design philosophy, class design, talent design, of one specific talent simply because it didn’t fit THEIR idea of what a warrior was, but waited 15 years to do the change? What? Do you hear yourself talk? Did you proofread anything you sent out?
I am literally saying the exact same thing you are, just with more nuance and explanation behind their decision, while also acknowledging that blizzard doesn’t always know best, so instead of giving up? I advocate.
I petition. Done it before and it works. You have to communicate like a damned adult for a second, and see how to communicate like one as well.

Blizzard’s design philosophy isn’t always the best, and often they get corrected by the playerbase. That’s how this works. They give us mostly what we want, we give them our time and money. Capitalism at it’s purest and most simple…
IF they don’t give us what we want, we group up with other like minded people and strike by unsubscribing, and creating a petition to speak with a Blizzard representative in an official way.
Happens all the time. They have people sign an nda, but its usually just people advocating for basic quality of life changes that affect multiple classes or profs. Thing’s that the group finds as unacceptable, and they provide evidence of the discussions, the forums posts. The bullet points, the presentations. IT’s all pretty clean cut and well done.

But you can’t think that deep, can you? You just want to be right, so you choose to ignore some pretty basic facts…

But you do you, booboo. I have better things to do than try and argue with somebody who just keeps repeating what I said and expecting it to be poignant.
Deuces to you in specific.

Blizzard has the power to fix this issue, and the only way they will do it is via player advocacy.

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It’s like talking to a wall.

Smf isn’t supposed to be viable. It’s there for people who want to role play. Talents are buffed/nerfed with two handed fury as what matters.

They aren’t wanting to unmake it. Get it through your head that they haven’t intended for and to be viable.

Your aren’t doing content where it matters.

Which means nothing is stopping you for playing smf.

Smf isn’t balanced to be viable in the game. Deal with it.

Or don’t.

And proven every single time you have no comprehension of the actual point.

You mean like they did with BM?

Blizzard has literally stated they don’t balance around SMF and it’s intended to to be there for people to roleplay.

They don’t make two handed transmitted to one handlers for PvP reasons.

Because even if you were correct there less than ten percent of the warrior playerbase.

You just don’t have a valid point.

No it doesn’t. Devs don’t read the forums and even if they did they aren’t going to change their mind about smf.

They aren’t going too because there isn’t an issue. They don’t tune around smf. Deal with it.

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OR, I can keep trying and keep talking.
Otherwise, nothing will ever get done for sure.
You can keep being negative and make excuses all day. Bye.
You are the only one with an invalid point, and all you said comes from a place of deep dissapointment with blizzard. I have been there myself.
Just stop. Go unsub for a few months and get your head on straight.
IT’s a corporation, so speak with your wallet.

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You can sure. Wont change anything.

Stating the truth isnt making excuses.

Im not the one throwing a tantrum. Id rather continue mythic clears

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“WAAAGH BLIZZARD WILL NEVER CHANGE ANYTHING, WAAAGH LET ME SCREECH AT STRANGERS ABOUT HOW DUMB THEY ARE THINKING THAT ANYTHING WILL EVER CHANGE”
You sound like Eeyore at this point dude.
The only one throwing a tantrum is you, because you keep stomping your foot on the ground every time you talk, I can hear it from here.
I can feel it, too.

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I’m the one throwing a tantrum yet you just said

lol the irony.

You have a strong imagination.

That stomping sound is actually me laughing.

I don’t get mad over the forums.

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I understand the frustration but you are crashing out in an ugly way here. The other person isn’t doing anything to hold back SMF, they are just pointing out that Blizzard has made the choice to keep it there but held back, for whatever wierd Blizzard logic.

I would like to see it be viable as well, mainly because I like playing both tank and dps on one character and SMF allows sharing the same weapon type.

But, here we are. Leave your feedback, its fine. Don’t lose your mind if people respond in a manner that doesn’t suit you.

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WE ALREADY KNEW THAT. that’s why people are losing a bit of their cool. Dude is literally telling me the lights are off when I know that. I can see that. WE all know that. WE all know that blizzard designed it a certain way.

NExt he’s going to tell me the sky is blue, jesus christ you guys. Is this the new standard on the forums? I leave for 8 months and you guys suddenly don’t know how to read.1

it’s not about the manner in which they responded, you tool, it’s the fact of WHAT they said. IT’s pointless. WE all know how hard it is to get in touch with blizzard and to get them to lisen, but if we don’t nothing will ever change.

Crying to strangers that things will never change, will never change anything. Who woulda thunk it?

no, you just troll people by pointing out that the sky in blue.
We all knew everything you already said. So why say it? Useless, uneducated, and unneccessary feedback is useless. Who would have thought.

If you want to actually change something you have to speak up first. Just because you think the other party might be unresponsive, doesn’t mean you should just give up.
That’s your inborn quitter mentality talking.
Nobody is mad, for once somebody is actually disappointed, not just saying that to deflect. You disappoint me. You clearly have a brain in your skull, but choose to not use it. It’s kinda wasteful. You could be advocating for changes like this, but instead you tried to shut it down before it even got started in here.

people like you are the reason why nothing ever changes or gets better, in-game and irl.
Get your head on straight, like I said. Go take a break and think about it.
I had to. I was getting a bit upset with Blizzard because they just don’t listen to feedback so often…

But to just deny that anything will ever change because of nebulous reasoning, it’s just dumb. Not that you are, but the action itself. That’s just a dumb thing. Giving up before you ever start is a good way to starve to death…