Different approach to Pathfinder

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How is that better?

8.2 may not be the last major patch. So you want us to wait longer? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Pathfinder Part One with its current timeframe is all that’s needed. People have run all of the zones, done all of the world quests and even levels alts by the time they get it unlocked.

It doesn’t need to be dragged out. And end game zones need to start including areas that require flying. Flight should be incorporated into the game and quests like we had in previous expansions.

This game doesn’t need to keep taking steps backwards.

Some people don’t like flying? Fine. Don’t fly. But it became a part of this game and it has evolved this game. It should continue to do so.

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Pathfinder part 1 is fine, explore, quest in every zone, get rep with everyone. Ok fine, do that anyway leveling up. Part 2 is not needed.

They should do - part 1 lets you fly in the new expansion after the first patch hits.
part 2 lets you fly in whatever else is added (think broken shore). Then have other areas where there is no flying no matter what (like argus etc).

But time gating flying to this late after the expansion came out is bull.

After checking my achievements I thought I’ld add this info.

Purchased Legion - 9-3-16
Legion Pathfinder Part 1 - I earned on 1-2-17 … 4 months after purchase
Legion Pathfinder Part 2 - I earned on 4-28-17 … just under 4 months after earning part 1 … just under 8 months from purchase

Purchased BFA - Aug 17, 2018
BFA Pathfinder Part 1- I earned on 10-5-18 … just under 2 months after purchase
BFA Pathfinder Part 2 – not in game yet – already 7 months after earning part 1 and its been almost 9 months since purchase.

Who knows when exactly part 2 will be available, or what it will require. So it still needs to be implemented, then earned … then we can fly.

Nah man this is messed up

Now I realize the original method of getting flying often resulted in people rushing to max level to purchase flying and then having an advantage over other people who were still leveling when it came to farming mats - herbing, mining etc.

So it’s no biggie waiting a little while to make sure more people are maxed before allowing flying. But 4 months to earn part 1 is more than enough time to be without flight. Once we have earned part 1 we have done all the zones, earned all the rep, seen all the sights.

What I’ve posted in other flight threads. Dates are a little off now, I don’t feel like doing the math and updating how ridiculously long it’s taking to get flight this go round.

Flight whistles are only for max level characters and only take you to the closest flight path. Which usually ends up being the opposite direction of where you want to go.

Players are tired of being patient. It took (me) just under 8 months to get flight in Legion, so far it’s almost 10 months since BFA came out (6-17 = 10 months since purchase) and part 2 isn’t even available yet.

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They should not unlock it until the last raid because it honestly does nothing in this exp and did not do anything the previous exp. There are so many ways to get around in the game now, flying is rather pointless to have.

You wont see flying until the very end of this exp for one simple reason, Warmode. Warmode is absolutely keeping flying from you because flying is what killed off the last chance that world pvp had. With flying you will get roaming gank squads that just hover above quest zone, you will eliminate all chances of running into random pvp on the road.

Plus how do you deal with assassins then? THey can just fly around and never be caught. The only chance you have of seeing flying any time soon is if flying wasa disabled for warmode.

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Or…it could be BOTH.
PF for those who like it…max level and gold per character for those who dont.
Problem solved.

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Then disable flight in warmode. I really don’t care about PvP. It’s really not true that flight killed wpvp, even Asmongold agrees with that. Also, what does a raid tier have to do with flight? Youcan’t fly in dungeons, raids, arenas or bgs. Those activities should have no influence on flight whatsoever.

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First of all asmond gold is a tool, who used to play on thrall and cried when he did not get the sword off of archimond in bc because he did not have enough DKP, and paid a druid to carry his rear to 2k when warriors were the easiest to play. So i dont care what a streamer has to say

Second, i never said raid or dungeons have anything to do with flight, i said you wont see it until the last raid patch, IE last content patch.

Third, im right there with you with warmode i hate it as well, but blizzard is hell bent on making it a thing, which is effecting the decision.

As an aside flying absolutely ruined world pvp, because when you can fly around and pick anad choose your battles, you can always pick fights your going to win, and run away from the ones you are not going to. Thats an objective fact, there is no logical argument that i cant even think of that proves that flying does not allow you to pick and choose your fights.

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I totally understand the company wanting the users to use/see all of the content/zones provided that they worked so hard in creating for the user. I don’t understand why it has to come in the form of “Faction Reputation Gates”. Why can’t it be as simple as… You work through a zone, do all the quests in the main quest line, and explore all of the zone (clear the fog). Once that is done, you can fly in that zone. Then move on to the next zone (where you can’t fly) until you meet same (do the quests, explore the zone). I would think that would be acceptable by most everyone on this particular topic. Flying is still gated. You’re forced to do the quests and explore the zone. You get to fly in the parts of the expansion that you have “unlocked flying”.

Anyway just my Monday morning $.02 on a subject that has been beaten to death by pretty much everyone on both sides of the fence.

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Well they should’ve made pathfinder only on PvP servers then. I play one a carebear server so wpvp has no effect on me unless I choose to opt into it. There’s also Classic coming for those that wish to get into the large battles of yesteryear. The modern servers can’t seem to handle large battles anyways.

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I actually like pathfinder more than shelling out 10K gold for incremental flying ability.

I know it sounds trite, but if you play the game, even casually like I do - and do the major quest lines, stop here and there to go after the silver-encrusted creature or treasure chest on the map, you get the rep and the achievements.

I do not mind working to achieve flying. What I really abhor is the notion that 10 months after BFA, we don’t EVEN HAVE PART II yet. And Part II is gated behind yet more rep achievements (for now - I know it’s still being worked on).

It isn’t the effort…it’s the time-gating that adds bitterness to my otherwise sweet nature.

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Well again, thats the problem, there are not longer pvp servers, pvp servers were merged in BFA there are now only servers and RP servers. Warmode is what puts you into a “pvp” server, which unfortunately we are now all subject to. So any choice now taht would normally only effect pvp servers have to effect everyone.

I and many others were saying this was going to be a massive problem day the first.

As for large battles you can once again blame sharding for that one, its really screwy.

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True I should’ve noted that. Warmode disabling flight would be fine with me. It would also allow the folks that love wpvp to opt out of warmode occasionally and fly around if they want.

All I know is it just takes too long to get what we used to get at level cap with some gold. The only thing I really like about pathfinder is the account wide achievement that allows alts to fly immediately and level through with flight.

I still think they could make servers that do not allow flight and people could go there and get their modern WoW on with all the no-fly zone wpvp they can handle.

That would be 100% opt in kinda thing and not force it on those that don’t want it. I don’t know how to make everyone happy but the way they’re doing it now is just meh.

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It didn’t “do anything” in any expansion, so this argument makes no sense. What’s it supposed to do? Play the content for you?

In the future, there should most certainly be areas that require flying and world quests in those areas. But simply because they were too lazy to do that recently doesn’t mean flying is worthless.

Also an argument that doesn’t make sense, because flying has existed on PvP servers for over a decade. Warmode and flying are no different-- except now you can pull them out of the sky, which mskes it easier to deal with flying.

And 8.2 may not be the end of the expansion. Which is when we’ll have flying. So that’s incorrect as well.

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I did state that Pathfinder 1 would give you flying for Zandalar and Kul’tiras and Part 2 would award flying for nazjatar and mechagon. May have gotten confused at the part of " final tier has been cleared" which I mean Battle for Dazar’alor not the final raid tier of the expansion.

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There is a reason, and that reason is that the devs don’t want to let us fly at all. When they tried not to let us fly in Draenor, it turned into the biggest brouhaha since the Great Real ID Disaster of 2010. (Sorry for making like a broken record.)

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And that’s still too long. There’s nothing wrong with part one the way it is now giving us flying.

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Award flying for pathfinder part 1 closer to when g’huun was killed?

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Considering we’ve done all of the content, including world quests and some even leveled alts before they got part one… yes.

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Thats what I mean reward flying a lot earlier than their intentions.

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First you said “final tier,” then you said “Battle of Dazar’alor,” and then it changed to “a lot earlier” after questioning me on when exactly.

Now I have no idea what you’re attempting to say.

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Didn’t understand when I meant final raid so I helped out with trying to clarify it by adding in bod. Than you said that was too long so I put in rewarding flying with pathfinder part 1 closer to G’huun getting killed.

Understand now?