Really? When was this?
It has happened a couple times in the comics. Raven planted a seed of Trigon into Beast Boy that made him turn into demons.
More recently there was an animated movie in which Beast Boy, upon entering a demon realm, suddenly loses control of his shapeshifting and spontaneously begins turning into demons. He eventually gets a hold of it and learns to control his new demonic shapeshifting from there.
They never explain fully why this is, but the common theory is that this Beast Boy’s powers work like Animal Man’s. They tap into something called a morphogenetic field (Also called The Red) that the world has and accesses powers/shapes of various living creatures on that world. This allows the two to also obtain alien abilities if they are on alien worlds. In the movie it seems beast Boy tapped into the morphogenetic field of the demon realm and got demon forms.
It is a really neat concept.
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Malfurion had no clue Illidan even liked Tyrande.
I would not call Illidan selfless, I don’t think he has ever been that, but he is not selfish or greedy. He is not a monster in the way his detractors see him, he never was. He is arrogantly reckless, and recklessly arrogant. He also suffers from extreme mental illness, another fact his detractors refuse to acknowledge. In Wow there are no Therapists, and the typical good vs evil setting from something like D&D is not prevailent in WoW.
Please be nice to the monsters, they have more balanced character than either Tyrande or Malfurion. Malfurion is so brainwashed, he serves as little more than Cenarius’s mouthpiece. Proof of this is in Legion, when Cenarius is corrupted by the Nightmare, between then, and the Cenarius Boss fight in the EN Raid, Malfurion showed more and better character than ever before. Afterwards…reverted to type.
As for Tyrande, she is such a self-righteous moron, it is just unbearable. Proof of this, in Legion when chasing Malfurion and Xavius, she asks “Have you ever loved as I have?” Seriously? Also what kind of leader repeatedly forgives a repeat and murderous, traitor, yet refuses to trust the guy who actually saved her life at least twice over? Simply because he cares.
There is no jealousy towards Illidan from Malfurion. Malfurion does, says, and thinks, what Cenarius tells him to, that simple. He imprisoned Illidan to shut up the crybaby Shadowsongs, and then he lets the unstable, violent, and revenge driven, older sister, be his keeper. After that they just forgot about him, until the Legion came back 10,000 years later.
Funny you should mention that. They always ignore the difference in both of the scenarios. Illidan did what he did to save both of their lives, because they were surrounded by demons looking to kill both of them, and she wouldn’t shut up. Malfurion told her to shut up when she expressed doubts about the plan to sacrifice their immortality. Big difference there.
Yeah interesting thing about this too, only Malfurion recalls that, Illidan however never mentioned that in the Illidan novel, as if it never happened. Given Malfurion’s “memory issues” this is highly suspect.
Where does Maiev get this overwhelming authority to chase ex-cons across continents, and entire planets, while simultaneously judging them to be guilty of any crimes she says, and framing them for false crimes just to cover up hers? Illidan has always been well within his rights to kill that rabid cop and all the idiots who blindly follow her. Also, since Azeroth, especially the Night Elves don’t have the same judicial system as here on Earth, you can’t claim her “authority” in any matter is superior to anyone else’s especially Illidan’s right to defend himself. Her BS is far worse than his ever was.
Nah, Malfurion didn’t even deserve that much, neither did Tyrande IMHO.
What are you talking about?
Illidan paralyzed Tyrande cause she didn’t praise his plan as brilliant and thought it was reckless and dangerous which ironically it turned out to be. He almost freed the Old Gods trying to use the Demon Soul to seal the Legion portal on his own. The demons thought Illidan was an ally at the time so likely they wouldn’t have attacked him anyway.
Malfurion’s ‘Hush Tyrande’ moment was just after he and Illidan had sealed the Legion portal at the end of the War of the Anceints, an act that didn’t sacrifice their immortality, and he said it cause Ysera was glaring at him cause they needed to move before the Well of Eternity started to collapse in on itself as the Sundering began.
It was literally the opposite of what you said.
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Not necessarily recalls, he’s just the only one who mentions it. Most likely miscommunication about a detail between writers.
https://makanidotdot.tumblr.com/post/190856262196/i-would-like-to-share-the-story-of-hush
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was illidan an incel
When the Void Lords invade in the next expansion Illidan will release Sargeras from his prison and we’ll have a Xera-like quest chain where we learn how Sargeras was really just doing everything for the greater good. Then as we’re exploring the new zones Sargeras will pop out and give us a world quest to kill 6 Naaru. I can’t wait.
Perhaps the greatest question of our time.
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The Illidan of Burning Crusade was a deranged Joker-level monster. His death and rebirth may have changed him somewhat. His relationship with Tyrande and Malfurion is to use the words of my own spouse … complicated.
Okay the “Hush Tyrande”, I might have gotten mixed up with something else, and where is that part about Ysera glaring at him? Would you like to point out where that was at. Ysera only clears her throat and Malfurion and Tyrande reluctantly separate.
No that is not the case. He listened to her gripe a while and when he needed to focus on his spell and used one of the vials, she went off. He then silenced the space around her, and sealed her feet so she couldn’t move toward him, interfere or alert any demons in the vicinity. Laymans terms, she was in a sound proof tube. That was it, he did not paralyze her, or force choke her, or anything to actually hurt her.
Really? Lets review the events. Illidan was attacked a Felhound, and Tyrande had just escaped from her cell with multiple defectors, including Dath’Remar Sunstrider, which they caught up with and attacked before Illidan found her. And both seemed to suspect that Mannaroth was hunting for them. Also, if we consider this too, Illidan at some point before the banishing of all the demons had killed Azzinoth, a Dreadguard/Terrorguard, and claimed his Warglaives. Pretty sure, Illidan would be marked as an enemy, even the Felhound he killed would have enough intelligence to report his betrayal, back in Antorus.
I call Malfurion out on memory issues because of Xavius in Legion.
He can’t seem to remember that only 3 possible foes, are capable of influencing the Emerald Dream, and are connected with the Nightmare. Yog-Saron, N’zoth, and Xavius. The last one of which he has “slain” 3 times before, the first two times back in WotA, and the 3rd time roughly 5 years (give or take) in the Nightmare. Yet Xavius never springs to mind, until after he is defeated and captured by him.
Isn’t this what Editors are for? Especially when you consider the whole team dedicated to this game’s lore. If a low level like me can spot this, how did they miss it?
and the Illidan novel proves that this was never actually the case, he was never trying to conquer Outland or attack Azeroth. His agenda was to attack the Legion, something he was doing very well at with his Demon Hunter army. So Kil’jaeden the Deceiver had to do what he is famous for, and deceive the forces of Azeroth to go deal with him instead.
Eh, it wasn’t going as well as he thought. Everything we discovered about the Legion’s operations on Argus made it pretty evident that Illidan’s army would’ve gotten stomped if they’d actually invaded the Legion homeworld as he’d planned to. Not to mention the demons seemed more amused than actually upset about the damage he’d done, even with the destruction of Nathreza.
Illidan was never going to defeat the Legion alone with his Illidari as he intended. He needed Azeroth’s help, and at the time of TBC he wasn’t really psycologically capable of even considering an approach.
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Did I ever claim he would succeed, pretty sure I didn’t. I just said he was doing well at it, not that victory was certain. It most likely was a suicide run, even if he did use the portal trick like he did to Nathreza. Killing Sargy, no, maybe kill Kil’Jaeden? I guess we will never know huh?
I imagine that the numerous promotions that suddenly became available in the Legion’s ranks due to Nathreza’s destruction, probably were a source of great amusement for a great many demons.
That he’s aware of.
I mean, his survival was a retcon. Not sure I’d call it a memory issue not to suspect he, by unknown means, returned to life again, somehow.
Because they aren’t very good? They don’t care? Take your pick. We know this has happened other times. Pretty sure that same novel says a Night Elf is from Eversong at one point.
Not sure where you get that from versus just silencing her as a person. Part of it says, ‘she felt the spell he placed on her fade away’ when assumedly Elune removed it that allowed her to speak again.
A retcon doesn’t make something never having been that way irl.
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Cherry picking. Still valid.
Still cherry picking. WAY worse than ‘Hush Tyrande’ and for far less reason.
Speculation. The Legion was pretty heavily occupied, something Illidan was counting on.
It happens all the time with Blizzard.
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For an opponent he personally destroyed twice in physical combat, and a 3rd time in the Emerald Nightmare, who keeps coming back, common sense would dictate that Xavius should have been the first suspect.
So this would imply that Malfurion is either a complete idiot or he might have a memory issue.
"Retcon- definition: noun
- (in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency."
TBC had a inconsistencies. The Illidan novel was used to correct some of them.
Retcons don’t apply to Real Life, only for fiction, which WoW is, just because you can’t accept such a change yourself, IRL, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen anyway.
Take my pick? Okay, how about, they intentionally left it like that for an underlying plot point in the WoW series as a whole. Like maybe that, you know, blind devotion to a religion or particular deity, even ones that seem good, can actually be a very bad idea.
Really? An intergalatic/interdimensional, omnicidal, force of demons with virtually unlimited numbers, was so heavily occupied that they couldn’t bother with anything else than the resistance attack force outside their beachhead, to even go after a potential traitor/infiltrator and an escaped prisoner in their midst? Oh wait, they did, hence why Illidan resorted to stealth, secrecy, and silence.
Oh, and the Illidan novel also revealed that even demons like Felhounds are sentient and can think coherently. Vandel knew of this personally, since he consumed one.
You seem to be forgetting that the portal they were coming through was continually unstable. If it weren’t the NE army would have been squashed like fleas. It bottle necked the Legion forces substantially. A felhound was very little threat to Illidan. One tried to drain his mana and he literally reversed it and sucked the Felhound dry.
The NE army was also quite a long distance from their beach head. Lets not forget they had to march to Hyjal to excape the sundering and that beach head was where the Maelstrom now is.
No it was stable enough to allow Archimonde, Mannaroth, and Hakkar as well as numerous other demonic forces through, like Infernals, Dreadguards and FelGuards, many of which attacked Tyrande’s and Dath’Remar’s group when they tried to escape. They were trying to stabilize the portal for Sargeras to pass through.
They had plenty of forces to spare, Illidan redirected two Felguards on patrol for him and Tyrande to sneak by, and the Felhound he killed by Fel Fire that he conjured, this in particular freaked Tyrande out. Later after casting his spell, Illidan killed a large group of demons again.
All of this while, the combined NE/Tauren/Furbolg/Earthen armies fought on the ground, and the Dragons covered the distance quickly by air, and even then the Legion and Highborn forces still made that difficult for them too.
Well clearly you think that forcibly silencing and imprisoning them when they disagree with your plan is worse that someone telling them to ‘Hush’ because of a sense of urgency.
Illidan desired to protect Azeroth, but he is also an arrogant, prideful jerk who would have had far less issues in his life if he was able to manage his overbearing ego. He also did a lot of terrible things and even if your doing that for a ‘greater good’ it doesn’t let you off the hook for doing them. Sacrifice isn’t noble when it is someone else your sacrificing.
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No, I don’t agree Malfurion is at fault for the writers extraordinarily changing Xavius’ survival outside the setting.
That was my point. The Illidan of Burning Crusade was a deranged Joker-level monster. We can accept in real life that was his prior story. The change doesn’t mean it never was that way.
I can accept they happened. I didn’t indicate otherwise.
I don’t see how this relates to whether or not Malfurion visited Illidan. But no, given we have several lore errors in that same book and Blizzard’s general sloppiness, that’s why I see it as such. Various such minor errors exist in general. I lean more to apathy towards consistency than carelessness, personally.