A community that was looking out for its own and helping those struggling to get groups going would have meant something like LFD would not have been necessary to have. But clearly it was. Just because you didn’t struggle personally and were lucky enough to have a loyal crew to do stuff with doesn’t mean everyone did.
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Dumbing down is fine, streamlining is not. I did mention that streamlining something like questing in Cataclysm made the game extraordinarily boring. since it fails to engage even at a casual level.
Raids, including raid finder, are fun even for the most casual player - dumbing down is not bad.
A lot of people say “it damaged the community” but I’ve never been in a community that’s been damaged by it. Again, if the gameplay is the reason for your community, I don’t think I’ve ever had your problems.
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That did happen quite a lot. I remember someone taking the time to explain to me how to better play my class in a Mara run. I remember people piping up to help with the EPL quest chain. That happened quite a bit.
But now, everything is so dumbed down and automated, they don’t have to. Furthermore, it’s made it so that those who ask for help are basically admitting that they can’t hack it even with handholding which only leads to more derision.
Did you seriously say that dumbing down was fine?
I’m a casual player and I think they paper tiger they made much of WoW into is extraordinarily boring. It gets old playing on what is essentially god mode until you get past heroic raiding…
Again, because you didn’t have those issues doesn’t mean others also didn’t. You think I wouldn’t have loved to have some warlock help back in the day? Some advice when everything was trashing me in PvP? I certainly would have appreciated some assistance when I was trying to get some help killing Nathanos Blightcaller, doing the Battle for Darrowshire, or clearing out my massive log of BRD quests. But no matter what I tried I couldn’t get anyone to help me.
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Are people teaching you about your warlock in LFG? Are you getting any advice in LFG?
All LFG did, was make it so that you didn’t have to talk to anyone to faceroll your way through instanced content.
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Which is fine because at least I’m getting to do that content. It’s far better than being locked out of it.
Yep. I said “Dumbing content down is fine. Streamlining it is not.”
As long as there are multiple difficulties, it’s fine. But, again with the rewards, you can’t reward people equally for being on god-mode, easy mode, “carebear mode” whatever you want to call it. I don’t consider that mutually exclusive.
If you have raid finder, you shouldn’t reward people the same or similarly to those on higher difficulty levels. That’s where the damage comes from.
“I don’t need to try harder to get better gear or advance in an actual raid when I can have a step below with 80% less of the effort.”
There aren’t “multiple” difficulties until AFTER you get past almost everything.
Wait, are you one of those people that thinks everything before end game shouldn’t exist?
LFD wasn’t a problem. Raid or die was. So was world obsoleting most of content.
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Raid Finder -> Normal -> Heroic -> Mythic. These are different difficulty levels.
Again, you should not allow Raid Finder to be anywhere near as rewarding as Normal or above. It’s should be there for people who don’t normally get the chance to raid, and should not be as rewarding, as a result.
Not at all, but you can think that, if it makes you feel better.
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LFR was the true death. The developers multiple times have said they wish they could go back and redo it or never do it.
LFD wasn’t too bad.
Except people don’t do that in non instanced content with random strangers either.
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I don’t actually think it did… when LFD first came out groups held to the decent standards started in TBC.
It wasn’t really till keep protection that the carry me mentality start.
They used to… And they used to in instanced content too…
You are right. LFD-LFR Sucks but there are many things that make the latest expansions bad. easy a-ss gearing and ilvl sucking numbers. health increased from 5k-6k to millions what the fak is that?
Actually for me “Looking for group” was the best addition to the MMRPGs.
One the things i dislike more on FFXI, Vanilla wow, Aion etc. The amount of time somebody loses shouting for member for dungeons, quests or raids is something i can’t afford anymore my RL obligations are 10 times more demanding than 2004 sadly.
I feel if they add a “Secondary classic-wow server” with Looking for group & Looking for raid features keeping all the elements of the original game will be a great “option” for people with small amount of time to play.
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Maybe, more often than not in vanilla people were judgemental aholes.
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it was LFD.
I felt it immediately. As soon as it became too convenient to dungeon, it became all about speed and nothing else.
When something is hard to get it becomes precious and you try to make the most of it you can, not get through as fast as humanly possible.
That’s because LFD brought a ton of stuff with besides just cross realm groups, like instant teleports to dungeons.
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