My argument does legitimize my statement. People who only or mostly do LFR content have no need to be optimal or worry about their performance at all and can thus spend weeks or months going from one covenant to another. People who do content outside of LFR do need to be concerned about the repercussions of their choices.
There’s no need to be so obviously shameful about it. I’m not discrediting you for the type of content you do. Just linking it with the fallacy in the arguments you’ve provided so far.
What are you even going on about? You don’t know what content I do or don’t do from looking at this account’s achievements. For all you know, I may have other accounts. Looking at your achievement points, your performance meter is so much smaller than this account’s. Did I bother to use that in my arguement? Because it doesn’t matter.
You’re NOT supposed to be best at everything in wow. I don’t “mostly do LFR content” I’ve barely done any lfr this expansion. Last expansion is did mythic content, expansion before that, I barely played, etc etc… But looking up my profile didn’t tell you that did it?
How is it irrelevant? Why would anyone pick something that is extremely situational over something that’s literally always useful in some way? Of course, not all abilities need to always be useful, but the point here is we’re given a choice that is supposed to be based on ideals and aesthetics, but they also for whatever reason come with abilities that wildly differ in power and fundamental usefulness.
There are better ways to spend your time than trying to refute someone’s argument with logical fallacies and being an angry keyboard warrior. Sorry if I triggered you somehow.
Because they like the ability? Because the ability fits their playstyle better? Because they don’t really care about the ability, but rather they care about the aesthetics of the covenant choice? I could rattle off a whole list of reasons here.
Hell, I love the warrior class, I do. The ‘optimal’ choice of covenant for warriors is Venthyr in most cases because of Condemn, which is a very powerful replacement for execute. But for some of my warriors (since I have multiple) they won’t be joining the Venthyr. One of them is joining the Necrolords, another is joining the Night Fae. My reasons behind these decisions are all based on aesthetics and how they relate to that character.
Now not all of those abilities are going to be as useful as Condemn. Conqueror’s Banner (Necrolord) is going to be nice in certain group play conditions (not so great for soloing). Ancient Aftershock will be nice for AoE in dungeons and PvP, but not that great for raids where a lot of enemies are immune to CC like knockdowns.
But because I either like the abilities, or like the aesthetic, I will pick those covenants and I will build my character around those abilities to make the best use I can out of them.
Not needing to worry about being perfectly optimal goes well past LFR and more into mid-tier mythic bosses and well past +15 keys.
Being a good player is so much more important than playing a perfectly optimal spec or class its quite silly.
Just like while everyone knows Disc is MUCH better than Holy for raiding there are still WAY more holy priest parses than disc priest for mythic Ny’alotha. Holy has more parses overall (by 10k) and also more parses on every single boss except nzoth (and its almost tied there). Shouldn’t these mythic raiders know better than to play something so objectively worse?
What gets me is they have 2 factions talior made for Death Knights…yet if things stay as they are Blood DKs are going to have to go Night Fae for the 15% str/15%DR …
man I wish that the hunt would put down a mark that made you deal 10% increased damage
I absolutely love that ability and want to use it all the time but from what I hear it isn’t viable on pve at all
That’s completely fair. But, do you really think that the people who will be choosing a covenant based on ability as opposed to their ideals and looks won’t also evaluate how useful the ability is in practice? Let’s talk Night Fae warlock. I think casting drain life on 4 targets at the same time is pretty cool on paper. But most of the time it’s just gonna be an 8 second dot on a 1 minute cooldown that also costs me 20% of my maximum health to cast.
That’s fair but we aren’t really talking about people who don’t care about the
abilities are we? Those people aren’t even worth mentioning in these discussions since this whole covenant issue will simply not be an issue for them.
So you admit that there’s and issue with the combination of the theme and the ability that comes with it, and you also admit that the answer to that is multiple characters of the same class? You also clearly don’t care about the abilities or what they do and will just go with the theme anyway so why are you arguing about them?
I don’t want to put words in your mount but that seems to be what you’re implying.
“Swapping from” implies going from one covenant to another but not necessarily back to the original one.
“Swapping between” implies going back and forth including going back to a covenant you once left.
It makes perfect sense to me but I’m also not native in English so I could be wrong. Either way that is what the poster meant.
Some people respond to requests for being able to swap back and forth between Covenants with “you can already swap Covenants.”
What people can actually do is swap away from their Covenant once and return with difficulty, which usually isn’t what people are asking for when they say they want to be able to swap around Covenants (specifically, Covenant abilities).
I admit that not all abilities are useful in all contexts, but they still have uses. If you’re the type of player that likes to PvP and favours that over other types of content, then your covenant choice is going to reflect that. If you want to be 100% optimal, no matter what, then your covenant choice is going to reflect that.
But you do not need multiple characters of the same class. I have multiple characters, because I like the class, not because I need them.
The entire point of me coming into this thread was to refute the OP who was claiming that these abilities are useless. They’re not. They will have uses, it depends on what content you prefer to play, and how you play.
Perhaps that situational use is actually more significant in the primary content that player participates in whilst also thematically appeals to the person in question?
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This.
Honestly, it’s hard to go past an Argorwal post and not give it a like. Always spot on.
to be fair I’m pretty sure griefing is the only real use for the ability. Whether its griefing your group just by being a necrolord dh or siccing it on people who are dueling.
The people I was directing the comment at were arguing about pretty much what Oakenshroot and Calmaf have summed up.
The moment I wrote that, they conveniently tried to change their argument to reflect that the whole time, they had been talking about going back and forth between covenants multiple times, instead of the one-time swap that they had originally been talking about.
