DF abandons WoW’s solo playerbase... but why?

LOL… I doubt many would do challenging solo content. Idk, I guess Torghast wasn’t popular so we don’t have a new iteration of it. A new system like visions of N’zoth is the best you can hope for.

I would and I’m sure many others would as well. And if they don’t, it has no effect on your gameplay whatsoever so there’s no reason to stand against.

Torghast

That wasn’t a route to the best gear in the game, it was busy work prerequisite nonsense designed badly. What I’m suggesting is adding AI parties as an option and continuing m+.

AI parties if actually functional will supplant M+ because it takes the chance of failure out.

Torgast was visions 2.0. They messed it up by putting legendary mats in there and no ilvl progression like visions had. Visions also had some other stuff.

Blizz is focused on making group content though and that’s evident so yall should be happy rn.

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If players rather take the solo path of least resistance then doesn’t that just show not everyone really wants to do group stuff and is feeling as you anti solo like to put it “forced” just like many felt “forced” to do world quests.

If there was a solo progression path like say AI groups in at least mythic dungeons and more rather play that then Blizzard would need to look at why more don’t want to group.

On the solo challenging content comment I would love having solo challenging content and those who are complaining are not true solo players but rather trolls just like the trolls who kept saying dragon gliding killed bots.

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Group content players will do solo content because it’s the path of least resistance than eschew it. If it’s trivial, and not time consuming plus good rewards, why not?

Group content which doesn’t have guaranteed rewards, and people are able to fail in.

Again, these are all invented speculations that require bad design. If you have to partially control your healer and your tank, you’re set up for all sorts of failure. Partying would likely be easier.

I don’t think Blizzard is equipped for engaging gameplay involving two separate pet bars (maybe three) for an actual pet class.

All right so your argument is that it might be designed badly so we shouldn’t do it. But you could use that argument for absolutely anything. Using your logic we could end all expansions right here and now because you say they might be designed badly. That nothing else should ever be added to the game because it might be designed badly.

That’s not an argument.

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I’m saying WOW isn’t really built for that design, and even if it were made, I don’t think people would enjoy it. So people are back to complaining how there’s nothing to do. I bet the mage tower wouldn’t exist for people even if they added 421 gear to it.

All right, you can think that, but it still has no bearing on your gameplay so there’s still no reason to stand against it. If people don’t like it, then your game doesn’t change at all. The people desiring solo content don’t need you to look out for them. If they don’t like it, then they don’t like it. It has nothing to do with you.

You just keep playing the way you’ve been playing. A solo route failing doesn’t affect you at all. So there’s no legitimate reason to stand against it.

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Plenty of reasons to stand against a route that most “solo” players want. If it’s too easy, it’s a list of chores to do before the fun can begin.

You keep going back to relying on it perhaps being badly designed. But again, you can say that about anything. That’s not a reason to stop something from being implemented because you fear it might be badly designed. If that were an argument, then we could just say all content must end immediately because it might be badly designed.

That’s not an argument so please stop using it.

Then what if Blizzard didn’t make it too easy or trivial what if they actually put some thought and effort into it by making it a true solo challenge path. Now before you come back saying solo players will complain yeah some will but they won’t be who this is made for it will be made for players like me who enjoys playing solo and wants a challenge it will be for players like the Orc you are talking too seems they also want a challenge.

Something like that can separate the true solo players from the trolls and Blizzard has been known to take risks before I say let them do this and I will bet it will succeed by giving solo players their own path.

As for gear of course it won’t be mythic level oh not even close that deserves to stay the best just like pvp gear remains as it is this solo player gear will go as high as heroic level no higher this way solo players can feel powerful like they are actually progressing and the anti solo players don’t have to worry about their precious pixals.

Well if raiders do the path of least resistance and everyone has to suffer because raiders will be raiders wow deserves decline if they keep catering to few types of players >.>

Pugging in mythics is the easiest thing you can do but it can be annoying to get into them.

Solo modes just avoid all that group making hassle and dealing with toxic folks. Group content is decent when you can get things going but its a PITA when stuff is caused by other people such as drama or issues with combat.

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This I strongly disagree with. There should be an alternative solo route to the best gear in the game. Locking gear behind having to party with some of the most toxic players in the gaming world is bad design. And as you already suggested, such a solo content could be made difficult enough to justify such gear dropping.

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Then if Blizzard did take the risk and made a solo challenging path to justify mythic level then I see why it shouldn’t drop I was mostly wanting a way right now to try and compromise with these anti solo players.

I would love having a full mythic set solo if I had a chance and a challenge. :dracthyr_blob_dance_animated:

Anything that awards better than normal raid gear would be a requirement every single tier.

Idk how you can’t comprehend this.

I have already refuted your points. You’re just ignoring them.

Either way what you want is never going to happen.

And when you can’t complete it because it would be harder than mage tower we would
Laugh at you :joy:

That’s part of the difficulty in knowing how to make a proper group. Solo content will never award mythic level gear.