Incidentally Thanatos the actual God of Death(distinct from the rulers of the Afterlives) was considered quite despised and is mentioned as hating everyone including the Gods and would really like to reap every single last one of them including Ares who freed him from chains!
The person who put him in chains was sentenced to Tartarus by Thanatos himself by the way…
No Hades is literally described as stone hearted and severe/serious lol that is not a Good, Soft, Kind person. Cruel is an apt descriptor.
It was even generally avoided to say his name so as not to invoke him by accident on a cultural level lol
It makes sense to me when you consider the only realm Devos seems to care about is Death.
She’s selfish in a monkeysphere sort of way. She cares about the people immediately around her and doesn’t mind Death stepping on everything else in order to take over because she won’t personally suffer from that.
It’s similar to the Horde’s motivation in BFA but less dumb because the Forsworn are not playable.
Incorrect. I can post sources if you’d like. Or you can just google it yourself.
https: //lmgtfy .app/?q=Was+hades+evil%3F
Hades was a fairly impartial figure, reclusive and seen as being unusually fair for a Greco-Roman god. He was not even the judge of the dead. Hades delegated those duties to Minos, Rhadamanthus, and Aeacus. They judged the deeds of the deceased and created the laws that governed the underworld. Hades mostly just made sure balance was kept in his namesake realm.
Hades often got conflated even by the Romans with the god Orcus, who WAS a fairly unpleasant fellow and feared as a death god that was the punisher of oathbreakers and the like.
“You tell us memories are bad but this mortals memories scared me and lead to me betraying you!”
Just wild Devos. You really showed her.
I know most people’s impulse is to cheer them on but when you look past the surface “fighting against the corrupt establishment” guise the stuff the Forsworn actually DO is pretty atrocious. I have lost count of how many Kyrians they have actively melted down into shadowlands edition sha.
There is even a world quest where we are shown Kyrians who come into contact with their memories warp into monsters because their cleansed kyrian self and mortal self are incompatible. So perhaps there are actually some reasons these souls are encouraged to let go. Their pasts literally want to consume them, and turn them into monsters.
Literally Seneca in Hercules Furens and Ovid’s Metamorphosis both describe him as cruel
Homer iirc describes him as “the most hated of all the gods”
Stop conflating cruel and being severe with evil
Also cite actual Greek literature if you’re gonna boldly argue
Sometimes sure but I’d argue they also have their fair share of pretty bad base ideas too.
I think Devos joins the jailer only as a means to an end. She feels betrayed by the Archon and is using the jailer to end bastion as we know it. Most of Devos’s dialogue is about the “broken” path… she doesn’t care about the jailors end goals.
Let’s not forget that the reason why she questioned the path is because Arthas was using a weapon made by the maw… and the Archon ignored it. Obviously Devos knows the maw and the jailor isn’t right.
A pattern i’ve noticed is all of the Jailors allies are just using him, nobody cares about his goals. Devos wants to destroy what the Archon built, Denathrius is going to double cross the Jailor, Sylvanas wants to escape death, and Kel’thuzzad double crosses everybody who isn’t Arthas.
What does that mean for the overall story? I have no clue, but it’s a pattern.
Souls aren’t naturally going into shadowlands. Kyrians transfer them, stealing from mortal realm, basically.
The whole system seems artificial and manmade. It’s not natural order of things, it’s just powerful beings wanted to build their empire using mortal souls
Well, she did say that he “earned her loyalty”, which would be an odd thing to say if it wasn’t true. I think Devos bought into the idea that the Jailer was somehow going to make things right.
This is what worries Devos initially, but apparently she somehow communicated with the Jailer, and decided that they have a common cause. Devos might not know the extent of his actual goals, but she seems to believe whatever he told her.
So, it starts off as “Our realm is in PERIL!!!” which turns into “Eh… our realm sucks anyway”.
Well, it’s not totally a bad thing, because of soul-munching entities like the Void Lords and Burning Legion, and even low-level warlocks and necromancers that use souls for fuel.
But by Devos’ remarks, she thinks the Arbiter is “impotent”, which it does kind of seem to be. Although, the fact that the Arbiter’s order has been weakened has mostly come from threats internal to the shadowlands…
worst of all is that the archon, while staring at devos carcass, was considering her words and the entire forsworn situation.
what a terrible leader.
“We sacrifice be we must…” There’s an implication here that she went through the same process, perhaps eons ago. That she herself is a (very, *very) ascended mortal soul.
She honestly pulled a Saruman… almost completely.
Devos had alot of potential but she like other characters ended up being the bad guy who has to be taken down. All of that Lore for nothing.
Yeah I honestly feel that Devos shouldn’t have been an ally of the Jailer. She was fine as an antagonist without it. She started her revolution because of Uther, not because she wanted personal power or anything like that. Why side with the maw when the soul you are fighting for was torn apart because of weapons created and infused in the maw? If anything, Devos should’ve been fighting against the Jailer and the maw to prevent what happened to Uther from happening to anyone else. Make her a tragic antagonist, not the one we got.
Lysonia is the character that should’ve been lured to the Jailer by Helya tempting her with power. Kind of like what Sargeras did with Kil’jaeden. Playing into their envy of someone close to them. Kil’jaeden was envious towards Velen just like Lysonia was towards Eridia (the WQ where you pick up the lore scrolls hints towards this). In fact you end up learning that the Jailer and Helya are turning forsworn kyrian into mawsworn against their will in https://wow.gamepedia.com/A_Step_Too_Far and Lysonia allows it to happen.