I’m not cheesing anything and doing sub 15 minutes delve run on my prot warrior :S
90% of the mobs in delves you can single pull, so if you have 2-3 mobs on you that hit for 2 million each you seriously need to learn how to pull better.
Then let them do the hot fixes so they’re made to be the way they’re made to be
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hardly 90%, it’s a fifty-fifty whether pulling a little mushroom rotcaller will pull the stabber or not
Brann was never supposed to keep aggro.
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That was my whole point.
They shipped this crap in a half-baked state and you just KNOW they are going to tie player progression to this nonsense.
If they are the crappy nonelites, they pull together or with the elite itself.
They absolutely do not hit remotely close to 2m and die in a few hits. They are norm mobs for a reason.
The elites RARELY chain pull.
what tier are you doing and how are you doing so much damage? if you’re doing tier 8 and can do 11 million damage in a “few hits” tell me your secrets
Tier 8 delves item level 605. Fury warrior go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I’m refusing to do Sinkhole or any dungeon that’s underwater. That is trash, unfun, frustrating design. On top of all the one shot mechanics. What a joke.
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My issue with this is to get to that ilvl that suggested in the delves, you have to do the higher tiers… like tier 8 drops 600 ilvl gear… or 603. You are supposed to get the gear from progressing. And right now saving your keys for tier 8 is the best thing you can do for gearing and thats like only 4 a day if you only choose to do world content at least as an endgame pillar.
And you can group for delves, but at that point might as well do mythic plus for gear if you got a 5 man. So I think blizzard should have in mind specs that have difficulty soloing/ dont’ have so much damage mitgation tools.
You want or might considered trying to… “git gud” go in the water and fight those critically acclaimed under water delve that everybody loves!
When you don’t hire based on skill this is what you get.
It is as simple as that.
Time to hire the right person for the job, Not the right Feelings for the job.
That and blizz does ZERO in house testing (prob because most of the people working there don’t and never have played WoW)
We live test for them, they then have tons of down time, tons of hotfixes and it all = crap thrown at a wall.
They need to revert the changes back to before any and all hotfixes, say hey guys we messed up and we are gonna work on delves but its gonna be a bit, so have at it as is.
But we all know that will not happen. Egos, Feelings, and Suits will get in the way.
Good expansion and they are going to kill it, Blizz loves to shoot themselves in the foot more than anything.
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I always like how people keep defending delves. They’ve been poor design since day 1.
You don’t, it’s just that people are soo focused on tier 8 Delves.
I’d argue that Blizzard not putting the effort that they should have into Delves has helped create this situation, as people were clearing tier 8s very early. If they wanted Delves to be this new evergreen pillar of endgame progression that can be run solo or in flexible groups, they needed to put a lot of effort into them to get that right. They don’t appear to have done that.
I’d also argue that a notable portion of the people here commenting on Delves are things like raiders, which are not the target audience of Delves. Those poeple are getting equivalent or better gear elsewhere and can then leverage that gear into clearing Delves more easily.
Both of those things combined create the impression that tier 8 Delves are just something you should be able to clear.
But if you look at the season 1 Delve page on Wowhead, the progression system looks pretty clear.
Bountiful tier 5s are where you start getting 600+ in your vault, which is where Blizz seems to want your big upgrades to come from.
Now I’d argue that the gear progression could be better, but Blizzard are wary of players who want to play other content like dungeons and raids feeling like they have to do Delves for progression - because that’s what ended up happening with things like Island Expeditions and Torghast and Blizzard received a lot of backlash because of that. So they appear to be acting reserved with how good the gear they’re offering through Delves is in the hopes that makes them not appealing to those players.
But that means Delves are operating in a pretty slim margin of ilvls between stuff like WQs and the low-mid level of M+ and raids, which doesn’t leave much room for growth.
I personally don’t think 5-man Delves should exist at all, period. You just get into the area of being dungeon-lite at that point and are creating to systems where the lines between them are blurred. I’d argue even 4-man Delves are probably too close to dungeons.
I also agree that more needs to be done to balance them around what each spec can do for solo - once again I think that comes down to Delves not having enough effort put into them.
Hopefully Blizzard don’t just scrap the system and instead put the work in to fix it.
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So according to you… crap thrown at a wall will reward me a Heroic 616 item level gear Tuesday… can I have more of that “crap”
The issue here is that delves go up to 13. So aiming for farming 8s early isn’t so bad because the higher things to buff brann are in those higher levels. Farming 5-8s is nice, but being limited to 4 a day sucks tbh.
You aren’t limited in running mythic plus keys for example. So in a way it can be tougher if its your only content. So making it doable with low ilvl isn’t a bad thing since there are so many limiiting factors. Not to mention having the time to do them plus farming keys in other content.
This is part of the gear situation I talked about. Them having a much lower end point in ilvl gives limited room for growth. If Delves scaled higher like M+, then farming the tier 8s relatively early wouldn’t be an issue because there are further tiers to progress through and earn better loot from.
As it stands, tier 8 is where the gear progression for them ends, and so a sizeable portion of the playerbase farming tier 8’s within the first is an issue. It would be like if M+ released this week and a sizeable portion of the playerbase was farming M+10s. The issue there is that all of those M+ players are farming the end of the M+ progression system soo quickly, and then where do they have to progress from there?
I’m sure some players may clear M+10s within the first week, but I definitely don’t think it will be a lot of the M+ playerbase, and if it were I imagine Blizzard would adjust the difficulty of M+ accordingly. Because you can’t have the end of a system’s progression getting farmed straight off the bat.
Same applies here with Delves.
I definitely think Delves need work, and I don’t think I agree with the better gear being locked to bountifuls.
I think a better option would be to have the end of Delve chests have a chance to drop the gear that’s the ilvl the bountiful chests currently provide. Then instead bountifuls increase that RNG chance with a 100% chance of getting a piece of gear if you open them with a key.
I think that would feel a bit better.
Either that or getting a currency to purchase pieces with, though I wonder if that would make reaching the end of the Delve gearing system a bit too efficient given that the lower ilvl cap gives you less room to grow.
i completed my first bountiful delve t8 and i got 603 gloves out of it
i was with a group tho
Just because you can’t do them or don’t think that they are doable, doesn’t mean that is the case for everyone.