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Might be dead at the start of TWW

I’d look more a Turalyon actually, that light fanatic style of evil just seems like it would fit for alliance to get smacked with the villain bat.

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The hell are you on? Aside from Daelin the game have never treated these characters as villains much less bad people. Sure not perfect and have flaws? But bad? Hah!

Right now Turaylon is a toss up. Sure he had shows open disdaint for the Horde but at the same time he was there at Lother’mar’s wedding and his son is even living in Quel’thalas.

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you should go read his short story.

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You took me literally… but you didn’t see who I was replying to lol.

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I was just pointing out that with him, it would not feel as out of the blue or whatever if he took the dive, Khadgar is too “loved” and has pushed for neutrality between the factions for ages, Genn has been written more and more as being, if not in lock-step with Anduin, at least a prime supporter, so I’d buy him losing it if something happened to Anduin.

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Anduin is the hero of the story.
That’s why he’s almost bald now. His character will grow with his hair.

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hes not a villain like garrosh, but hes also not a pacifist torwards the horde either

he knows that the horde cant be trusted, 2 maniac warchief in a row and two sieges proves it. I’m not saying the horde is inherently evil, but the characters in the game have their own concept of how they see things, the horde and alliance need to be hostile lorewise; wotlk, cataclysm and pandaria (before SoO) are a great example of how you keep the factions narrative without it being the main focus of the current expansion.

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But they have always been the bad guys. They’re just complaining about people being able to add 2 + 2

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That was always the story, its spread out over 5 zones and ended with the onyxia attunement back in classic.

The cata update to westfall tightens the story down too one zone and most of the later stuff has been removed. But onyxia messing with the Stormwind government was the main driver behind most of the problems happening in the southern half of eastern kingdoms in classic.

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Were they the bad guys in Vanilla? Were the the bad guys in BC? Were they the bad guys in Wrath (at least outside of Wrathgate)?

Whenever Blizzard feels the need to heat up the faction war, Horde always gets hit with the villain bat. If the faction war is not the center point, at worst Horde are those that try to help but endup tripping everything up.

One of the selling points to play Horde, when faction conflict was around but not in hot war mode, was they were those just trying to make their way in a world that hated them.

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But I feel like that’s about to change in the next couple of expansions, and it all begins with Anduin, hinted in The War Within teaser.

You know, I’ve never been more satisfied with the WoW players NOT writing the story. Making Anduin a villain is perhaps the dumbest idea I’ve seen suggested, given his whole arc is about being the antithesis to Arthas.

Your implication that he would become a villain because he has PTSD is ridiculous. It’s as dumb a story direction as Jaime deciding he never cared about King’s Landing.

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I liked when the Forsaken decided to defend the living.
They woke up one day from their coffin bed, drinking some morning coffee, and thought,
‘hey, lets defend the living’.
(it really wasnt coffee)

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Yes, at every single point in the game.

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Thank you for confirming you are:

  1. stupid
  2. a troll
  3. stuck in the days of WC and WCII/the past
  4. a stupid troll
  5. a stupid troll who is stuck in the past

Not sure why I expect any different from anyone that claims the Horde are the bad guys.

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Ooof. I hope not. I’m all for an Alliance villain, but not Anduin. I might be okay with a little bit of a Vader arc as he finds his way through lawful good to chaotic good, (It would be a much longer post if I took time to explain why this is better) but going all bad? Ick.

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Wow, let me just saddle up here with a more civilized and appropriate way to reply to someone outside of this pure and unbridled ‘hostility’ towards a mere theory for a minute. If you’ve professionally published a book or something to give some merit behind this sort of response do share.

It’s not farfetched to believe someone who has fallen to such dark events to turn on their original beliefs, perhaps over time (and I mean very over time not in just like a year or two) even perform a 180 on it.

The Light for instance is Anduin’s largest faith in the lore, unless you can name anything larger than that. It’s not priest level of devotion here but it’s what he always felt protected him most. But in his darkest hour it wasn’t the Light that came to his aid. It was never there. Instead it was his father and Saurfang who only reminded him of it. But where did the Light stand to even be present during all of this?

It didn’t appear to even come afterwards. 2 years he’s been left stewing over these events leading up to Thrall finding him in the teaser cinematic.

Villains don’t have to be as obvious as Garrosh, sometimes (and annoyingly more often than not in the story of WoW) it’s somebody doing something they believe is right, but it’s not.

Anduin could always become this way, gradually. But knowing Blizzard there’d probably be just another redemption arc anyway. If not Anduin then somebody else would possibly get the villain bat.

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Alliance was always the villian.

At least the orcish horde had an excuse, “The Horde” as it exists now only exists due to rampant, endless genocidal racism from the alliance. Not just towards orcs.

They never apologized or played up that they were the bad guys for it, just ignored it.

Alliance has always been the villian.

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I’ll give you that. In all this time it’s been Thrall trying to encourage peace, but one slip up and the Alliance freaks out as if the Horde is a bunch of savages that want to eat their children.

However there was bit of justification for that… was being the operative word, because nowadays it’s been so long and the Horde is nothing like it was before since Thrall’s leadership. The Old Horde was the one that gave the Alliance incentive for this reaction, because after all the Orcs are only present upon Azeroth for one reason and one reason only.

Their first intent to conquer in an invasion, known as the First War, when Medivh (possessed by Sargeras) first opened the Dark Portal and enabled the Orcs of Draenor to lay waste upon the land with Gul’dan leading the charge.

The Alliance has had their reasons. Had… but it’s been so unnecessary for a while now to act at all as if the Horde could ever be the same again. Worst you get is maybe a stray tribe of orcs or a small group of rebels that honor the ways of the Old Horde… but that’s it. In the lore as of right now, the First War, the initial invasion of the Orcs upon Azeroth, that was 40 years ago.

There’s been ceaseless attempts for peace between the two from figures on both sides. Peace is the only thing that makes sense now. Evidently.

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Uh as a Horde player, i can say Sylvanas was a waste of a character who herself did nothing, instead just bossing people around. She may have got “redemption” but only for story purposes. Ive met few Horde players who think she can ever be redeemed.

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Nah. Anduin will end up being gooder than good as always.

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