You shouldn’t be losing 5k dps with DS. It’s only like 600 or so DPS worse. 5K is what the pre-buff number was though.
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This is just complaining. It hasn’t addressed any of the points i made. Second, Middle of the pack isnt bad, need more context than that.
Thats mathmatically impossible unless your sim is outdated even then i think thats still a little too high.
Second, also gotta keep in mind that the sims arent factoring in the execute damage.
You’re making the same points everyone makes to explain away weird nerfs pretty much every tier.
What next tier is going to make aff good? There’s nothing there that won’t also make other specs good.
It’s just going to be another destro tier.
I’ve watched all of the fights next tier. I’ve looked at the items that drop. There’s just nothing that says “affliction” other than the trinket off the 3rd boss which will probably be very good for a bunch of different specs.
The point is, there’s no reason to play affliction over destro.
You arent making any points you are just complaining. You arent bringing forth any solutions. No one has any clue or direction you want to take any of the specs and there is no progression data yet for you to even formulate a plan of action or idea.
If i am making points that have been explained to you countless times already then why havent you taken that advise already? Is your head that thick? This is exactly why the Devs said “this is weak” or “x spec needs buffs” isnt helpful feedback.
My point is affliction was needlessly nerfed. Your point seems to be “but what if next tier affliction is totally just strong bro because reasons.”
Seriously, why don’t you explain in detail what next tier will magically make affliction worth playing over destro?
Do you even play a warlock?
That isnt remotely my point. I said and i qoute “How do we know that for sure without seeing fight data though”
What this translate into is how do we know exactly where they will place as in if they will be in lane OR too weak and if too weak in what degree.
I really have no clue how you got “but what if next tier affliction is totally just strong bro because reasons.”.
You literally pulled that one out of your behind.
I am being logical in expecting data to come out so that we know what areas need to be targetted and what doesn’t, you are being illogical in thinking that anyone who wants to wait for data is automatically assuming Affliction is going to be gods. If you want to be an adult then theres a discussion to be had that should occur after we see the data so we know how to move forward, if you want to be childish then feel free to keep complaining to the air because Blizzard sure as heck aint listening to it.
I’m gonna blow your mind here dude. When you’ve played this game for long enough and have a firm enough understanding of fight archetypes and how they play out for your class as a whole - it’s easy to predict which spec will likely be best.
From what I’ve seen - destro looks like the superior choice. Just like it was in BOD, just like it was in EP. Affliction is primarily a single target spec that keeps getting nerfed for no coherent reason from tier to tier.
You aren’t being logical. And this is a trend I’ve noticed on the warlock forums, and only the warlock forums.
People that likely do not even play a warlock posting on a low level warlock alt that show up and attempt to justify any and all nerfs with dumb arguments like “we’ve not seen the data bro.”
I could see affliction being good on the last 2 bosses, maybe - depending on how the cysts work exactly. But that’s really about it.
But that’s just a matter of tuning. If the wall adds you have to burst down have low enough HP, that fight will automatically be another destro fight.
Ive been playing since Vanilla and ive been playing MMOs/giving and seeing feedback since EQ so really don’t try to pullt hat card on me, it isnt going to work.
Crying about content without data and wanting Blizzard to blindly buff numbers is Logical to you?
I am being illogical because i want the data so we can get accurate buffs?
Ive been playing Warlock for a very long time now(since MoP).
You are being Illogical by the pure definition of it. You don’t know what level of buffs Affliciton needs and in what areas(bcz its impossible to know without data), you just want it to be buffed. You aren’t handling this like an Adult and being very childish about it.
Wait for the data to come out and once the data is out take a look at it and see exactly what needs to be buffed. Will it need to be Secondary buffs, Direct ST, ect. Biggest problem is M+ we know their AoE needs buffs but tht also may have impact on raids as well(as it has in the past).
Being logical means formulating plans to create a successful platform for Affliction but in order to do that we need relevant data. We have new gear, new traits, new trinkets, higher ilvls, benthic is gone, and a new corruption system. In what universe would it be a good idea to blindly buff Affliction without data.
Again - this isn’t about by exactly what percentage aff needs to be buffed. It’s about general design philosophy and how blizzard seemingly doesn’t understand how aff works.
That dev note under the DB nerf was pretty clear proof they have no clue. You could re-write that dev note to say “we’re nerfing the burst of a burst spec because burst feels out of place on a burst spec.”
Aff is a single target burst spec. How did death bolt feel out of place there? My issue here is with the pointless nerfs, as in they make no coherent sense. That is the issue here, I will still play aff next tier no matter what they do because it is the spec I want to play and I refuse to play destro outside of fights where it is absolutely required.
Even if they do buff aff next tier, they still pointlessly nerfed it and that is the problem.
Not gonna keep doing this because it pointless.
drain soul need another 150% dmg buff
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if you’re saying this as in “this is what they’ve turned aff into” then yes, you are objectively and unfortunately correct
if you’re saying this as in “aff should be a single target burst spec” then I can explain why you’re wrong in about 100 different ways
I see another incoming nerf to DB because blizzard dont fix issues, just nerfed the good talent to make the bad ones more appealing, since DB is simming higher well…8.3.1 devs notes: DB nerf wasnt enought, we are nerfing DB by another 33% to make sure warlocks dont get any hope in BFA at all.
I don’t like DB either, but blizz doesn’t seem to have any clue how to design something actually better. So for now I will [have to] take DB for PvP…
You seem to be talking purely PvE. Not sure why you would do that.
Why wouldn’t I? I do not PvP as with quite a number of people who play this game. If you are having PvP issues with the game feel free to post them and not drag me into them. Do not forget PvP has completely different number templates.
My argument is raids, it isnt M+ and it isn’t PvP which was obvious from my first post.
“should” doesn’t matter. Aff is a single target burst spec in BFA, so nerfing death bolt because it provides single target burst is incoherent.
You could argue that aff needs compensation buffs but the nerf to DB was completely justified and might not even be enough.
well hopefully they’ll fix the wretched abomination that is bfa affliction when we get to 9.0, and we won’t need to have this conversation