Reap the Storm now triggers when Whirlwind or Cleave hits 3 or more targets. Chance to trigger changed to 15% (was 20%).
Imminent Demise no longer causes Sudden Death to trigger Reap the Storm.
I’ve been enjoying Slayer Arms as my favorite spec so far in Midnight (putting aside numbers), and one of the main reasons is because we can throw out chains of Reap the Storm procs via Sudden Death executes. It feels very fun and satisfying to see.
Yeah this is an actual crazy change. We finally get some upfront benefit for using Sudden Death Procs in AoE, and it gets ripped away from us before the season even starts. What are we doing?
I do not understand the Reap changes at all, and every part of it sounds awful.
The Sudden Death guaranteeing Reap was one of the best parts that changed during the testing process to make sure the execute hero tree was excited about execute procs.
Not only are we losing that, but to devolve into whirlwind spam? This just sounds like the worst.
Don’t forget that you will no longer be able to trigger Reap the Storm on 1-2 targets.
It’s only Cleave and Whirwind (for both Arms and Fury) that can trigger it when they hit at least 3 targets.
These are all changes for the mid season patch that are subject to change but it seems weird at a first glance as we don’t have the full picture clearly without next week’s tuning / the following ones after and what changes will come of those themselves as 12.0.5 is easily what 8-10 weeks off at a minimum?
Mortal Wounds going from MS/Cleave to MS/Slam/HS turns it into a pure ST only talent with no more AoE interaction, pretty bad. Sure Add slam to it so it is MS/Slam/HS/Cleave so Colossus has more avenues of ST but don’t ruin the AoE potential at the same moment for builds like Slayer who’s filling in less gcds with slam naturally due to proc differences. They’ll have to buff other AoE sources dramatically to make up for this loss.
Reap the Storm no longer being forced on Sudden Death procs also goes back on making Sudden Death procs impactful in AoE bringing in that S3 DF gameplay loop most of us really enjoyed in that tier. MS/BT no longer being able to proc it either seems strange. Maybe it forces WW to be the play for Slayer Arms and they might forego cleave entirely so it’s got more chances to proc reap with WW having no CD? Doesn’t seem to be adding anything interesting here at all gameplay wise only removing.
Whirlwind applying Rend for Fury is a strange one for me, I quite like the gameplay of manually casting rend but i can see why they went this way even if i don’t like it. Suppose we’ll need to keep an eye out for filling in WW early.
Hack and Slash always refunding a charge of Raging Blow isn’t all that interesting especially when Raging Blow is mostly a last resort in all builds now. There’s definitely some changes that may be coming into play in the following weeks that might make this make sense? Like Raging Blow no longer being able to reset itself would make this talent interesting as it would enable rampages to funnel more raging blows in raging blow based builds while also not overloading the player with raging blow consistently resetting itself making this useless.
I wouldn’t get too worked up until we see the tuning numbers. Maybe their intent is to have execute feel good to press on its own without needed reap and deep wounds to prop it up.
So much for Slayer being an Execute hero spec. Now it has no idea what it wants to be. We didn’t need to loose all of our sustained damage for a buff to Bladestorm’s AoE…
We literally CAN’T EVEN trigger Reap the Storm in single target now. This is absolutely terrible!!!
This change is 8-10 weeks out, so no you’re not losing it at the start of season. Ya’ll are dooming without even knowing what the next 2 phases of tuning look like. For all you know they’re entirely changing reap the storm as a mechanic. (They won’t, but i’m just saying stop dooming without knowledge).
This change is 8-10 weeks out, so no you’re not losing it at the start of season. Ya’ll are dooming without even knowing what the next 2 phases of tuning look like. For all you know they’re entirely changing reap the storm as a mechanic. (They won’t, but i’m just saying stop dooming without knowledge).
To be fair we have complained quite a bit that we have a ton of talents buffing AoE and not enough talents buffing ST damage. This may be their solution to that. If they buff normal AoE damage to make up for it, I don’t see it as a bad thing.
One of two things is going to occur as a result of this.
Either Slayer’s AOE is completely gutted and it’s officially the single target spec (will need more substantial ST buffs still),
Or WW spam with the occasional BT and Sudden Death proc rotated in for additional bleed spread is so comically busted, we become the face of 1-button AOE. Poster child for when WoW goes to console.
There is still 3 rounds of tuning before this patch, which will likely (probably… hopefully?) make these .5 patch changes make more sense.
The same BS we see every expac. Something cool to lure us in and then taken away cause of balance. Meanwhile other classes are left to bask in the sun and be rock stars.
I mentioned in the Discord how stupid the SD/Reap issue was. What equally blows my mind is that DK are once again getting a rework while Arms is just forgotten about.
You realize what sort of miracle buff the 17th would have to be in order for any of this trash to make sense? .5 patch or not, it’s still absolutely stupid and clear example they have no clue what they’re doing. There is nothing remotely good about any of this. I don’t want to be spamming Whirlwind. Stop trying to be devil’s advocate for Blizzard here. There is ZERO parts of any of these changes that make Warrior more fun or competitive.
Insert “First time” meme here.
Currently without these changes, Arms needs a 30-35% aura buff just to bring it close to Fury. After these changes, we’re looking closer to 50-60%. As I mentioned in another thread, Arms will be competing vs Prot’s ST dps. While they don’t really look at these forums for feedback, we need to at least make a stink about it or they will just ignore the problem.
That sounds about as engaging as watching paint dry.
Question, are you just miserable and need to get your insane comments out when stuff you agree with are being said right after what you’ve quoted. As a first look these changes do not look good but they also lack context.
How dare I not fall to pieces and properly outline my initial thoughts on the patch notes when I also don’t have the full information on what the spec will look like in the next few weeks as it’s clearly stated at the very beginning in their patch notes “This is for 12.0.5”
WHERE did I play ‘devil’s advocate’ at all in that post? What do you want me to be an overemotional jaded wreck like yourself and consistently whine while never really providing any sort of proper feedback or thoughts outside of making snarky comments? Because that’s not how I’m wired as a Bloke. We break things down logically and problem solve as a baseline without the need to make things so drastically dramatic.
I swear you’re even more jaded than you were before which is saying a lot because I cannot fathom how someone that down bad is still paying for a sub for a game they so clearly hate.
I get where you’re both coming from, but this is the weird part for me: 3/17 is supposed to be tuning pre-raid. Then later more tuning after they gather data from the raids and make the changes they need for 12.0.5.
So… how can they be announcing nerfs for 12.0.5 when the 3/17 tuning hasn’t been made live yet, and none of the data has been gathered? I could see it if they did tuning for 3/17, gathered a bunch of data and came back saying “sorry, you were actually doing good in raids and M+, so we’re nerfing you now” but they didn’t. They’re effectively pre-nerfing w/o any of their supposed “gathered data” having been actually… you know.. gathered.
If you can tell me a logical explanation, great, I would love to hold out hope.
Realistically… Nerfing a class that’s already considered D tier? One who’s damage (not talking play style, I like our play style) is so bad other classes are coming into our forums to offer their condolences and wanting to know where to send the flowers and Crisco? Where does that make even the most remote level of sense?
We used to do amazing execute damage. Good enough that it was worth bringing us in to push through the kill phase.
Nerfed it.
We started doing pretty decent AE w/ Colossus, reap the storm, and mortal wounds.
Nerfed it.
They retuned us, giving us some utility, and great potential for both AE and ST.
Nerfed it and gave us an Apex talent we can’t even max out because it jacks up the cooldown line-ups.
(Sorta) promised tuning prior to raid release.
Pre-nerfed us before any tuning could even be implemented much less actually evaluated.
I get trying to keep people from losing hope, but you have to admit, a lot of this just. doesn’t. make. sense.