Dark Ranger and Bard are NOT WoW Classes

[Slaanesh-emerald-dream (Slaanesh)]

You mean to tell me that there are no musicians in WoW? And that there are no musicians who also know magic??

[Lichceifador-azralon]

@Burglenuts-area-52

The Bard. Bards in MMO’s and RPGs are support classes. They are not tanks/healers or DPS. They support and buff the group, and usually there is some crowd control in there. The only Role in WoW I can see a Bard fitting into is Healer. Tell me how to pop them into a DPS or Tank role and not have it be utterly out of place. (And I mained a Bard in Everquest. I LOVED playing that classs)

agree…bard is unacceptable as a class in wow

@Burglenuts-area-52

I often see people requesting a Dark Ranger Class. If anything, Survival should be changed to this. Dark Ranger is a Emo MM Hunter. It is a mostly cosmetic choice idea. We have hunters, we have rogues. We dont need a mix of the 2 with shadow priest spell effects.

The same goes for Necromancer. We already have specs which would be similar.

but i do not agree with 2 things here…
first, i like survival so i dont want it deleted and
second, i heard the same things about demon hunters in relation do dark rangers and necromancers you just said it yourself.
if anything i would agree that dark ranger should be a new spec instead of a class…thats all

[Waidmann-gilneas (Waidmann)]

@Lenvae-scarlet-crusade

As for the Dark Ranger, that strictly speaking does exist in WoW lore as it was introduced with Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne. That being said. Once again it would require stealing aspects from 1 or more other classes to be properly represented.

Actually it wouldn’t .

They could put it in as a replacement for the old range surv as a 4th spec.

All they would have to do is bring back some of the spells they got rid of like Black arrow . Other spells like Lock and load and explosive shot are not often taken by MM hunters but could stay multi spec talents if Blizz went that route.

So really there is a way to do it without hurting other hunter specs.

[Hezzlocks-khazgoroth (Hezzlocks)]

I don’t really care about Bard, but as an fyi, Bards are DPS in FF14 (albeit as an archer, so clashed with Hunter), and D&D Bards can be built to do some proper damage with spells and sometimes even melee. Just because you can’t imagine it’s possible doesn’t mean it isn’t. Though, again, I don’t care about Bards, so meh, whatever!

Dark Ranger though, I could actually honestly see as being a spec for a Necromancer class, since WC3 Dark Rangers imbued their arrows with dark necromantic magic, and don’t actually use animal companions at all. So, yknow, they kinda fit Necromancy better than they do hunters, so why not? It wouldn’t hurt to have another class that uses bows in the game. And then Tinker as another class that uses guns! MAKE THE HUNTERS SUFFER THROUGH WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO THE REST OF US FOR DECADES AND STEAL ALL OF THEIR GEAR

[Liianas-khaz-modan]

@Yogsothòth-tichondrius

Dark ranger is, it’s in Wc3. Bard no.

Dark Ranger’s abilities are all in game though.

It’s Shadow Priest.

Shadow Priests steal life from their targets.
They Silence enemy casters
They can Mind control, and they can even Psychic Scream.

But there isn’t a class that Has the Tinker Abilities in Current WoW

Tinkers are the obvious choice. They’re an all new class, thats part of Warcraft Lore.

[Yogsothòth-tichondrius]

Engineer has all the tinker abilities. Just not that their good, they’re there.

[Liianas-khaz-modan]

@Yogsothòth-tichondrius

Engineer has all the tinker abilities.

Nope?
Go do your research on Warcraft 3.
Engineer doesn’t give you any Pocket factories.
No Turrets, no missile barrages. and No Mech suit.

So. No. You’re wrong.

Current Engineering =/= Tinker.

[Monkybull-magtheridon (Monkybull)]

Well yeah they’re not WoW classes because they’re not in the game yet.

[Yogsothòth-tichondrius]

mount is suit, pocket ah/workbench, def is a missle baragge. Tons of grenades, rocket boots, minions.

[Buz-alterac-mountains]

@Burglenuts-area-52

The same goes for Necromancer. We already have specs which would be similar.

I agree on your other points, but this is the same reasoning behind why we would never get Demon Hunters and yet… we did.

They would just need to get creative in terms of how they work differently from Warlocks & DK’s.

[Yogsothòth-tichondrius]

They pruned their abilities and gave them to DH lol

[Beaupeep-draka (Beaupeep)]

@Rosenylund-emerald-dream

Bard is just a DND thing

Not quite. THIS is where Bard’s became REALLY popular, and not affiliated with D&D at all:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bard%27s_Tale_(1985_video_game)

@Burglenuts-area-52

How would a Bard Fit into DPS

Look at Bard’s in the game I posted above. They were swordsmen, and their songs could heal, buff, or damage, depending on the song.

They also had access to instruments with special abilities. One early item is a “Horn Of Fire” (Or Fire Horn, I don’t quite remember the EXACT name), that would do, well, exactly what you might think when you use it.

[Liianas-khaz-modan]

@Yogsothòth-tichondrius

mount is suit

Not usable in Combat.

@Yogsothòth-tichondrius

pocket ah/workbench

Not a pocket factory.

@Yogsothòth-tichondrius

def is a missle baragge.

What? I don’t see any missile barrage in current content.

@Yogsothòth-tichondrius

Tons of grenades,

1 grenade. 5 minute cooldown.

@Yogsothòth-tichondrius

rocket boots,

Not in current content

@Yogsothòth-tichondrius

minions.

Also Not a Tinker ability.

Dude this information is a google search away.

I want a class based off the Tinker hero unit.
Just like Demon Hunters were based off Demon Hunters
Death Knights were based off Death Knights
And Monks were based off the Brewmaster.

A profession is not a class.

[Liianas-khaz-modan]

@Burglenuts-area-52

Tinkerer, despite not liking the idea that much, fits into WoW. It is flexible enough to have 4 specs which fill each part of the trinity. Tank/Heal/MDPS/RDPS. It is also has some lore and relatability to wow through gnomes and goblins.

Gnomes, Goblins, Orcs, Draenei, Blood Elves, Mag’har, Light Forged, Dark Irons.

You name it dude.
There’s been tinkers in literally every expansion.

And we always see them with the same things
Mech Suits.
Guns, Explosives, Turrets.
Most recently they’ve been healing with Healbots.

[Burglenuts-area-52 (Burglenuts)]

@Hezzlocks-khazgoroth

Just because you can’t imagine it’s possible doesn’t mean it isn’t.

Ok… Let Me Try.
Bard DPS Spec:
Troubadour:
Leather Wearing. Wields Swords and Daggers.
Troubadours use only their voice to sing poems and ballads to enhance their physical and melee abilities.

Their ballads are based on an energy bar which is breath. It builds up like energy. Certain abilities require more breath. Stringing certain ballads and poems together can activate different crescendos. These are Powerful vocal blasts, which can damage enemies. Some in AoE, Some in Single Target. Some apply a dot and debuff the enemy for a period. Decreasing DMG dealt, or Increasing Spell Cast time ect.

[Lagoona-dalaran]

Bard is simple.
Drummer is heals and buffs.
Guitar is dps. Turning any 2h weapon into a working death guitar with a note forge system like dks had when they launched. 1h weapons would be for heals. They could even use shields.
Bam, new 2 spec class. Done…

Necro is pretty easy.
3 specs. Blood Acolyte would be heals. Pretty much a shaman and disc priest with dueling red and dark blue spell effects.

Shadowcaster for caster dps. Just a destro lock with awesome dark blue magic and some skull and bones themed dots.

And BAM! Dark Ranger for the third spec.
Purple and green arrows, explosions, and daggers for finishing moves. Super death mm hunter with rogue moves.
Done…

Balance doesn’t matter because only high elves would be allowed to be this class so everybody would be happy.

[Liianas-khaz-modan]

@Lagoona-dalaran

Bard is simple.
Drummer is heals and buffs.
Guitar is dps. Turning any 2h weapon into a working death guitar with a note forge system like dks had when they launched. 1h weapons would be for heals. They could even use shields.
Bam, new 2 spec class. Done…

Come up with Original concepts all you want. Bards aren’t part of Warcraft.

@Lagoona-dalaran

Necro is pretty easy.

Yeah. Go to Character Creator and Select Death Knight. Easy.

Tinker is the Only class that works.
It doesn’t steal from existing classes.
It’s a huge part of the Warcraft Universe.

[Buz-alterac-mountains]

@Liianas-khaz-modan

It doesn’t steal from existing classes.

While you may be against that I don’t think Blizzard is.

Demon Hunter

@Liianas-khaz-modan

Tinker is the Only class that works.

@Liianas-khaz-modan

It’s a huge part of the Warcraft Universe.

Also I would say, while they aren’t huge. Necro’s have a decent platform to sit on as well.

I mean, just look at how many cults exist in WoW.

[Liianas-khaz-modan]

@Buz-alterac-mountains

While you may be against that I don’t think Blizzard is.

Demon Hunter

Think of it this way.
Blizzard didn’t do that to steal from Warlocks. They Took those abilities because it’s loyal to Warcraft 3.

Demon Hunters in Warcraft 3. Could Dodge attacks, Turn into a Giant demon, and Use Immolation Aura.

So Blizzard took the Easiest route In WoW. They copied Warcraft 3.
You can Dodge attacks, Turn into a demon, and use immolation aura. Easy.

This logic works for Tinkers too.
They’d be able to Tank in a Mech. They’d stack intelligence. Fire missiles, and build pocket factories.

Just as easy.

@Buz-alterac-mountains

Also I would say, while they aren’t huge. Necro’s have a decent platform to sit on as well.

Blizzard doesn’t have a Necromancer hero unit to steal from.

You’re really gonna tell me Blizzard doesn’t take the Lazy route in designing classes?

[Phlynch-sentinels (Phlynch)]

Dark Rangers are already in game. They’re just forsaken Hunters.

Same way Draenei hunters are Rangari. I don’t see anyone asking for a standalone Rangari class.