It’s a joke
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What about if the Forsaken leader was someone who: A) is Forsaken, B) has been Forsaken longer than the current expansion, C) cares about the Forsaken, D) represents the Forsaken aesthetic and typical personality/perspective?
Alonsus Faol, Calia Menethil, Darion Morgraine, and Bolvar Fordragon are not Forsaken. Lillian Voss is Forsaken…via being impressed into service during the current expansion.
The Forsaken leader should be someone like a Hecular or a Belmont. You know…someone who is actually a Forsaken.
But this being Blizzard filling a Horde leadership position, we will likely have at least two expansions to debate this question.
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Belmont is a war criminal you might as well have Sylvanas come back to do bfa part two at that point
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The Forsaken leadership doesn’t need to be vetted by the Alliance.
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No but pretty sure baine and thrall don’t want some war criminals who ran a death camp probably why Voss is already the leader
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I like both of those characters but they’ve very little characterization. And Helcular’s is like 70% dick joke meme.
Legion gave us some really interesting undead characters. I’m aware they werent involved with the Forsaken but with Windrunner gone you’d think undead who didn’t join up for political reasons might change their tune. The likes of Faol and Felstorm are deeply connected to the story of the setting afterall so they might have some wisdom to share.
I’m by no means suggesting they be made our king. But if we went with a new Desolate Council type of arrangement I wouldnt mind them turning up.
That’s actually not a bad idea. Leave the Forsaken without a leader for the majority of the next expansion, until someone more interesting than Belmont or Helcular can get their bona fides. It could be like what they did with the Darkspear leadership, but actually decent.
I don’t get why people are so intent on the idea of Belmont becoming the racial leader when he ran a death camp. That’s trading one evil lunatic for another.
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Alonsus Faol, Calia Menethil, Darion Morgraine, and Bolvar Fordragon are not Forsaken. Lillian Voss is Forsaken…via being impressed into service during the current expansion.
Being Forsaken should not be an immediate requirement, in my opinion. I still see Calia Menethil as being a viable choice to lead the Forsaken (rightful heir to throne of Lordaeron, hello?). Either that, or a “Council of Three Hammers”-style group made up of Calia, Voss, and Alonsus Faol.
My main point is that the Forsaken as we know them have gone from being resurrected and forcibly mind-controlled by a tyrant (Arthas), to being “freed” but then still serving under another, far too-familiar tyrant (Sylvanas). They don’t want or need another dictator who just sees them as fodder for waging war (so no Darion Mograine or Nazgrim, no Bolvar, certainly no Teron Gorefiend).
What they really need is someone who will actually see them as people, because that leader either knows from experience (Voss) or genuinely cares and has taken the time to learn (Calia and Faol) what it means to be undead, and thus works to earn their loyalty rather than expect it, only to then lash out in a murderous rage after being rejected.
This was literally the whole point of the final scene in Before the Storm, and it’s definitely coming to a head with that final cutscene of the War Campaign featuring both Calia and Voss–one or both of them is definitely being groomed to be the next Forsaken Queen.
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Horde players actually want to be evil
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Not saying I approve of this, but there is the distinct possibility of them either elevating an existing banshee, or making a new one - that way they don’t have to update racial symbols or all of the dialogue that refers to a banshee queen.
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Why on earth not?
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Did you not read my above post? You literally have two very viable options to replace Sylvanas Windrunner (both of whom would be far better leaders than she ever was), and who lose out only if you go the whole, “oh well, only a ‘Forsaken’ can lead the Forsaken” route.
To put it another way: All Forsaken are undead, but not all undead are Forsaken. If you just want to see more plaguing and blight bombs Lich King-style, then sure: let’s just put an existing Forsaken in Sylvanas’ place. Nothing will ever change, but hey, at least it’s consistent.
Lilian Voss is definitely the easy pick as far as not having to update racial symbols, given that she’s already a member of the Forsaken–and by extension, the Horde.
That being said, there is actually some very interesting dialogue, datamined from a Horde quest currently on the Patch 8.3 PTR and announced via a BlizzardWatch article posted 7 Oct. 2019 that’s worth reading, as it
***SPOILER***
details a meeting between Calia Menethil, Derek Proudmoore, Lilian Voss, and Delaryn Summermoon and the Dark Night Elf Rangers, and their discussion of the Forsaken’s future. The Alliance equivalent explains that Voss specifically contacted Calia via letter to set the meeting up herself.
You didn’t answer the question. I mean, you talked for a bit about how terrible Sylvanas was. You opined on what the Forsaken really need which also somehow turned into talking about how terrible Sylvanas was. You endorsed Calia Menethil, the leader trusted by 9 out of 10 Alliance players, but you didn’t make a case for accepting a leader from outside the ranks of the Forsaken.
Belmont is leader of the Deathstalkers, and a member of the Forsaken High Command. He has interacted with the players on a number of occasions. He’s a logical choice.
As for him running a “death camp.” I don’t know about that, but no amount of mean things done to the Alliance is going to disqualify a candidate from Horde leadership.
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True.
So why shouldn’t the Forsaken have a Forsaken leader? Every other race in the game has a leader who actually belongs to the race. Why shouldn’t Forsaken get the same treatment?
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If you can reply, “True” to my comment, then you already know the answer to that. I don’t know how else to spell it out for you: the Forsaken are not a race. They are a particular organization–albeit the largest organization–of a race: namely, undead.
Also, the last time a Horde leader emphasized race above all else, Orgrimmar was put under martial law and virtually every other member of the Horde was abused in some way (anyone else recall seeing goblins being used for target practice and a certain pandaren being physically tortured in public?)
To put it another way, I wasn’t even talking about Sylvanas specifically, but rather what she–and Arthas, for that matter–represented for the undead citizens of Lordaeron (and later, the Forsaken) during their respective times as “leaders.” Seriously, look at everything the Forsaken have done and stood for up to this point, from the Silverpine Forest and the Hillsbrad Foothills all the way up to the Plaguelands themselves, and then try to tell me I’m only targeting Sylvanas specifically. Like I said before, if you want to see more of all that, more of the genocide, the Royal Apothecary Society-approved blight grenades, more of the plague wagons (so basically, more of the Scourge), sure–let’s put someone like Belmont or a death knight in charge and then complain later about how the Forsaken are “always portrayed as evil.”
That’s why a non-Forsaken undead is ideal, especially someone who’s not only in tune with the Holy Light, but can also extend an olive branch to the other side… such as Archbishop Faol or Calia Menethil. The Forsaken need that break from tradition, or they’ll just keep on being seen as Scourge 2.0, and not without good reason.
UMmm sylvanas burning teld is that disqualified her from leading the horde, thats kind of why thrall and saurfang and baine rose up
Not true the leader of the lightborne draenei is a human and the leader of the mechagnomes is a regular gnome
Race, organization, call it what you like–I prefer “race” because that’s the term used for every other playable species-group–they still deserve a leader who’s part of them and doesn’t come in from outside.
Having a leader who actually comes from the ranks of the group is the bare minimum that any playable “race” should expect. It’s not “emphasizing race above all else.”
How about if the Forsaken and their players get to decide what’s ideal for them, and not “the other side”?
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