Current PvP state; Abomination Limb, Final Verdict and other unbalanced covenant abilities

[Chillpills-stormrage]

I dont care that people dont like limb, you clearly dont understand why im replying to you if this is what you actually think

The point ive been making this whole time is that its not as op or uncounterable as you think and shouldnt just be nerfed because youre qqing about it

And its really not our top damaging ability either in single target, you only see it topping the meters from cleave most of our single target comes from dark transformation pet damage

[Gastly-blackrock]

@Haugs-sargeras

@Gastly-blackrock

Classes have cooldowns to appropriately trade for it

Yes, but those cooldowns are predominantly “increases damage done”, but don’t do the damage themselves.

If I stop pressing buttons after activating void form, I do zero damage.

@Haugs-sargeras

@Gastly-blackrock

When I say players have abilities to trade for abom limb, I’m talking about their defensives.

…Obviously…?

Apparently it wasn’t obvious. It’s also apparent that we have different opinions. There isn’t a single class that it’s hard to do damage on. This isnt a fighting game. There’s no Up-Up-Side-Down-X-Y-A combo that you need to execute. Burst windows are simple. Abomb limb being set and forget is irrelevant. No classes burst is “hard to execute”. It’s an issue of design/gameplay/fun, not an issue of something being overpowered.

[Haugs-sargeras (Haugs)]

Yeah, I think destros and outlaw as two examples are far more unhealthy to the game than abom limb by a very wide margin, and uh dk’s for their extremely high skill cap deserve to be viable outside of this dumb ability.

It’s just fun to poke at people who are poorly and angrily defending bad game design.

I’m optimistic towards Dragonflight.

[Haugs-sargeras (Haugs)]

@Chillpills-stormrage

you clearly dont understand why im replying to you if this is what you actually think

You’re right, I don’t understand why you’re replying to me. You haven’t told me anything I don’t already know.

@Chillpills-stormrage

The point ive been making this whole time is that its not as op or uncounterable as you think and shouldnt just be nerfed because youre qqing about it

When did I say it’s op or uncounterable? I think ultimately the failure to understand a person’s intent is yours, not mine.

I said the ability does more damage than it should and I said the ability is a “set it and forget it”. Both are true statements.

@Chillpills-stormrage

And its really not our top damaging ability either in single target, you only see it topping the meters from cleave most of our single target comes from dark transformation pet damage

Yes, an ability that auto grips people into it will do cleave damage.

@Gastly-blackrock

Apparently it wasn’t obvious

Whoops, was not fully focusing on this quote and that was not my intention.

@Gastly-blackrock

It’s also apparent that we have different opinions.

Obviously!

@Gastly-blackrock

There isn’t a single class that it’s hard to do damage on. This isnt a fighting game. There’s no Up-Up-Side-Down-X-Y-A combo that you need to execute. Burst windows are simple. Abomb limb being set and forget is irrelevant. No classes burst is “hard to execute”.

Ok, so let’s have a class that only needs to press a single button that is instant cast and that’s the whole rotation. Why? Because the game isn’t that hard so why not?

This is such a fallacy. Excusing bad design because “nothing is really that hard”.

You’re absolutely right. No rotation is that hard. But the step in the right direction is not to introduce “set it and forget it” abilities.

[Noplayfrost-gallywix]

I can maybe understand a small nerf to Abomb Limb damage but what we need is a buff to our physical defensives or mobility. So unfair that tons of other specs get complete immunities that last just as long as our tiny 30% physical damage reduction. Yes we have death strike healing but that only does so much through healing reductions plus it can be disarmed and/or kited so easily and it doesnt actually heal unless the attack hits so if rogue pops evasion and dodges then we dont get healed.

Also…a warrior complaining about dks? Now thats funny!

[Freexel-sargeras]

@Diecruxx-bleeding-hollow

Physical classes dump on DKs

finally someone gets it, it just happens that all the physical classes happen to be meta right now :O!

[Kennie-malganis]

@Freexel-sargeras

it just happens that all the physical classes happen to be meta right now

They really did a number on armor, and it actually gets worse the more you have of it.

My little 250ish Warrior had a higher physical damage reduction than my 285 one.

[Freexel-sargeras]

@Nasrajin-kiljaeden

DKs are pretty bad in 2s against hunter/war/rogue, which is a majority of the ladder.

also true!

[Firewolf-tichondrius]

The Armor Nerf Destroyed Ele - but hey I’m still here . Unsure why Destro technically has more damage reduction than someone wearing a shield to melee.

[Númenórean-proudmoore]

idk
i feel like slappy hands would be a lot healthier if it did some dmg but empowered the dk’s strikes instead of just doing big dam without input from the dk after the first global you use to press it
it’s an extremely loose idea but something like your next 4 weapon strikes do x or something would be better than the current afk plate demo lock design that cucks spellcasters that we currently have

[Haugs-sargeras (Haugs)]

@Númenórean-proudmoore

i feel like slappy hands would be a lot healthier if it did some dmg but empowered the dk’s strikes instead of just doing big dam without input from the dk after the first global you use to press it

Yes, exactly.

Burst cd’s should predominantly serve to strengthen and/or modify existing abilities such that the burst window actually feels like a burst window.

Abom limb is just a global you press that then does its own thing, which is my primary complaint about it.

Generally speaking, what separates a good dk from a bad dk? In the case of abom limb, nothing. I guess you could argue that a good dk will set up for it by popping modifiers beforehand, but beyond that, there’s very little nuance to the ability. Press it and get free 6-8k+ dps!

[Covlol-illidan]

@Chillpills-stormrage

I imagine im doing a lot more things right than you are though

Take a chill pill big guy, you’re obviously doing alot of things wrong.

Also, you’re cooked lol.

[Firewolf-tichondrius]

Top 5 busted single spells in the game.

Chaos Boltx2
Abomb limb (no setup)
Sepsis/FOK Master Assassin
Necrobanner Speed and dmg/heal buff for yourself and all allies
Combust with PI/Tricks/Disc Command

Add Skyfury to any of the above things and you will legit 100-0 anyone in the game through every defensive outside ray and bubble ult sac (as that is a joke of a cooldown)

Notable Shoutouts
Venthyr Hunter Leggo
Vesper Totem
Demonbolt
Sub Rogue one Shots
Survival Tier
Druid Beserk
Priest Boon

The list goes on of things that are absolutely overtuned for S3.

Edit: You get to the point where people say oh all this stuff is broken then its good for the game. But that’s where your wrong - people just W key press one of the aforementioned spells with zero setup and you can die very often.

Dragonflight needs to step back a tad on this conduit wombo covenant fast meta where people are getting railed by a train.

[Covlol-illidan]

@Firewolf-tichondrius

Survival Tier

Maybe I’m biased but I swear kill shot procs are worse then the tier. Tier is insane into cleaves/pets but kill shot chunks everything. Kill shot literally carried surv/BM dmg profile till the tier sets came out.

[Firewolf-tichondrius]

I mean your not wrong, I stay Venth on my MM as I love the kill shots. However, the bombs are like dragging someones face through tacs on the ground. You get pet stunned you get bombed, and kill shot proc. Game is pretty much over in 2s.

[Arite-bonechewer]

@Kames-garrosh

Warriors were drastically nerfed. Condemn nerfed to the ground, Defensive Stance nerfed, Death Sentence nerfed. Meanwhile Warrior has no self sustain like the other classes, it’s one of the weakest classes in 1v1 situations, has poor mobility once Charge and Leap were used, and it doesn’t have stun as basic ability. You want to heal yourself? Ok, pick Impending Victory, but you give up a stun and a secondary charge. You want mobility? Ok, pick Double Time, but you give up a stun and your self sustain. Did you remember that you need a stun? Ok, pick Storm Bolt, but you give up a secondary charge and your self sustain.

Fury war is best melee spec behind rogue but go on.

[Firewolf-tichondrius]

Anyone who defends warrior is a Shadowlands only glad on one Spec. They’ve either given up since it’s “too hard” this season or rerolled Lock/Hpriest.

[Maplewoöd-emerald-dream]

shadowlands pvp is trash. fire all devs

[Netherfury-illidan]

Versatility is still feels useless, this absurdly state of BURST BURST BURST, is absolutely terrible. Christ I understand shorter games, but man PVP feels like absolute trash right now.

Either trinkets need to give a flat 30% damage reduction bonus, or all the bursty talents and skills need to be given 10%-20% damage decrease. This is also someone that alts a destruction lock as well.

[Friarmeat-tichondrius]

Most classes die to a DK’s first go, because there is literally not way to heal through it or counter it…