I don’t know about this one.
Arms is still so good right now - people just blind and running FOTM fury. Arms Shadowlands will be far and away one of the best utility melees in all of PVP history.
When I say utility - I mean it was hands down the best class in S1 and top 3 in S2 because of how obscene it was with intervene. Now its A tier but still relevant in most comps.
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the screenshots where the limb does 100k dmg are extra funny because it means y’all died to the first go lmao
Lets get something cleared up here, Abominations limb is fine HOWEVER as unholy it does significantly more damage from the shadow damage increase we get from unholys mastery. That ontop of the conduit buff that we got and the unity legendary that increases the duration of limb is why it seems so insane.
I just want to stress something though, single target abominations limb is not 100-0ing you in seconds. There are still some things in this game that literally erase you from existence even if you know they are coming before hand. A lot of abominations damage is just passive aoe and for mana I understand this can be taxing but at the end of the day what players should be doing against death knights is not stacking and try fighting near line of sight or even have some sort of hard chain cc ready for abominations limb
The unspoken power of limb isnt even from just the raw damage it does but also the debuff it applies the first time it damages you, which increases the damage you take by 20% (another reason it does so much damage)
As frost limb is a lot more tame, it still does a lot of damage but its not like it is for unholy, so just nerfing abominations limb wouldnt really be a good change because it would put frost more behind than it already is. The most you could really do is make abominations limb not scale with unholys mastery but if that is done then any other covenant abilities that exist and scale with classes mastery or w/e need to be changed as well
Really though at the end of the day im not sure why people are so uptight about limb when other things in the game are a lot stronger, though i admit the utility of limb is nuts and if the game were made by me limb would be a utility only ability and wouldnt do damage, all that power would be distributed into our core abilities
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theres a whole lotta nothing else. maybe during the dks go, they did a counter go and killed the dk
no that’s impossible, DKs are incredibly overpowered ,’:^)
Your not doing it right. Get a necro banner and abomb limb wiht bop ams and ibf first stun trinket anything and stay offensive. It’s easily one of the strongest bursts in the game - only convoke/combust beat it.
But Abomb+ pressure does more than convoke and combust with your GCDs inbetween.
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how do you justify a nerf to final verdict when even you yourself have states that its the paladins only damage ability?
what you are really saying is that paladins shouldnt deal damage
The post is about covenant abilities, Not arena compositions
Ontop of that what am i not doing right? I am very confident I know how to play dk more than you or many many other dks do considering i have 100+ days played in this xpac alone let alone the other 400 from past xpacs. Who even said anything about doing something wrong or right? No one except you
I imagine quite a few things
Very specific nice
I imagine im doing a lot more things right than you are though
Idk about that
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I feel like abom limb should just do all of its damage instantly so i can feel like a season 1 ret paladin
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Cool fallacy. More time sunk = better player.
Generally speaking that is how things work, More hours you have translates into the amount of experience you have. Only time that doesnt apply is when those hours are spent super casually
In those near 500 days played I raided cutting edge all of legion in a top 3 server guild on stormrage, Achieved multiple gladiator titles, completed 20+ keys consistently and helped others do similar things.
Considering the majority of the playerbase sits under 1800 rating and below 10-15 keys and never sees past AOTC its safe to say im in the top 1% of players as are many others here who achieve similar things
OP of this thread never achieved glad or even 2k in 3s
Not to flame him or anything but im sure thats part of why this thread even exists, He used abom limb and final verdict of all things to make a post about when there are certainly other nameable covenant abilities that are far worse than either of those, and final verdict isnt even a covenant ability
Theres nothing wrong with limb, and theres nothing wrong with final verdict, but yet i compromised and said for unholy specifically limb does do a lot of excess damage, but its not something that can just easily be changed because it destroys the other spec in the process and lets not try and pretend like frost is OP.
Then some shaman comes into the thread talking about how im doing something wrong (nothing i said implied abom wasnt a lot of damage or anything but he still for some reason makes this point) and starts talking about how necro banner (not a dk ability) and abom limb do insane burst damage more than convoke (something i dont disagree with at least in certain conditions) but how does any of that make abom OP? Because last time i checked DK still makes up a very very very small fraction of the ladder, Still isnt winning the AWC, And still isnt as strong as other classes abilities
Abom limb might be close to being OP, But its really just not, There are still other things that outclass it overall even if not in raw damage.
No joke just line abom, and hard cc abom and you will be fine, worst comes to worse trade with abom and try to play separated from your team so everyone isnt just cleaved together no one has to pretend like its uncounterable
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I mean…Yes you’re right that will counter it but that’s committing a lot of resources just for a fire and forget ability.
If you’re complaining about abom limb you’re trading cds wrong. Is the ability itself unbalanced? Yeah. Is DK hard dog tier if they gut the spell? Yeah.
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You are cooked bro. I’m pretty sure most classes have bad mobility… you know… after they use their mobility CDs… ROFL. Warrior defensive kit and self-sustain is fine.
Physical classes dump on DKs, so this is especially rich coming from a warrior. If IBF got its CD reduced by half then DK would be on par.
Out of all the classes/abilities you named you go with DK/Abomb limb. High AF brother.
Way to cherry pick
You do realize there are a lot of fire and forget abilities in this game, Thats like me saying kidney shot needs a nerf because you fire it and forget it and now the target is unable to play the game for 6 seconds
You just have to deal with it because thats the game you and I play
That’s not at all close to why abomb limb is being called fire and forget.