Hopefully never, this game is and should always be centered around horde vs alliance. I never want to see a filthy orc standing peacefully around Stormwind.
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alliance is just fine 
thank you very much!
The game is literally not centered around this conflict at all anymore. It’s actually getting in the way of the main story. Even in Shadowlands you see that the Alliance vs Horde conflict has taken a back seat. Almost non-existent to the story. Actually it is non-existent to the story. There is no Alliance vs Horde conflict going on in the spotlight whatsoever now.
I plead with you to hear what I’m trying to say. “You’re tring to say you want FILTHY Orcs in Stormwind, you scrub! Go play FFXIV!” While i’d sooner rather die in a fire than play FFXIV, that’s not what I’m saying at all.
Factions can and will remain in the game. This isn’t a black and white issue. It’s literally not just Orcs in Stormwind or we kill eachother.
There are different degrees to which Blizzard will allow cross-faction play, like I posted earlier. Blizzard will most likely never allow cross-faction guilds or raiding, except for like LFR or something.
Blizzard will most likely only allow 5 mans and Mythic+ cross-faction. Which make sense in the lore because the Alliance and Horde often work together and while most of the time in the past we didn’t work together, the future cosmic conflict is held back by archaic racists mad at eachother on their home planet.
Thats the thing though right? It “should” be, but everyone can admit that the Alliance vs Horde serves no function to gameplay in 2021 WoW.
Pet Collecting is more popular than pro-active Alliance vs Horde content. Non-ranked BGs and Warmode… O.O.
While I wish the Alliance vs Horde was more important to the game, Blizzard has gone in the direction away from it forever. The glory days of Wrath of the Lich King faction pride is over. New players don’t give a crap anymore and no one cares anymore. Those days are gone.
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Yeah I’ve wanted cross faction for years now. At this point the war in Warcraft has been us against the world ending BBEG. The incredibly forced faction conflict in BFA was so lame and, once again, ended in us coming together for that BBEG. Just get it over with.
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It’s boomers who are clinging to WoW in 2010 when the Alliance vs Horde was something cool.
Now no one cares at all and people still don’t get it.
The Alliance vs Horde stuff doesn’t even take place in game anymore. It doesn’t have any gameplay. There is no such thing as Alliance vs Horde anymore.
Warmode is a meme and non-ranked BGs??? O.O LOL what? This is the Alliance vs Horde in 2021? Warmode and non-ranked BGs don’t matter to endgame really at all. Its a very very niche thing so why divide the playerbase anymore right? You’re right:
The Alliance vs Horde conflict is dead in the game. No one in this game is fighting the other faction anymore. That’s meme content. 
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I’ll admit to a personal bias. I don’t PvP in any game at all. And cross faction grouping for PvE won’t effect instanced PvP anyways regardless of what some think. So it’s still a win/win
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Factions can and should remain in the game. If Blizzard wants the conflict to matter they need to make it matter rather than boring story cutscenes. We’re carrying hundreds of mounts in our pocket, and no the lore doesn’t explain that we’re carrying a magical chromie mount box that stores our mount. We’re playing a game and we’re dismounting in the lore. Not throwing the mount into the magical box.
We’re doing cross-faction. People take this game way too emotionally serious. Like if someone literally gets toxic to an Alliance player, to personal degrees, that’s a bannable offense. That’s kind of cringe. Same goes from Alliance players to Horde. It’s just a game… lmao.
Ion already said that cross-faction is on the table. Doubled down on the notion even giving a reaffirmed rebuttal to someone saying “cross-faction… yeah NO!”. So Ion seems to be discussing this in the dev meetings.
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You don’t speak for me. There are plenty of people who still like it and prefer it, many who commented in this thread. Just because one xpac foregoes it momentarily (despite all previous expacs holding a candle to faction wars still) does not mean “its completely gone.” We don’t know what Blizz is thinking going forward, we don’t know what will be added, how future expacs will go etc.
“How dare those people not see my side and still prefer factions! They just don’t get it! Those darn RACISTS!”
Speak for yourself and yourself only. Faction wars and pride generate more hype for this game than space goat meme stories.
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I don’t speak for you but the numbers do. Non-ranked BGs and Warmode are meme content. Sorry.
No. People wanted to play this game for the PVE, not the PVP. Which is why PVP is a very very very very niche thing in the community today and always has remained as a minority piece of the game.
Actually we have some thoughts. Like how Ion Hazzikostas, the top dog in all of WoW development has DOUBLED DOWN!!! Let me emphasize this…
DOUBLDED DOWN on the notion of cross-faction play.
They mentioned cross-faction ONCE in a Blizzcon interview… Then the interview said “cross-faciton, not going to happen” then Ion gave a rebuttal… O.O He literally gave a rebuttal and reaffirmed that it’s something they’re looking at.
It’s on the table as of now. Especially when the Game Director says it.
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And you don’t speak for me. The faction war has held no candle to me, and apparently him, and many others since Warcraft 2.
I’d rather be able to play with my friends that prefer the alliance aesthetic that don’t want to faction transfer. I don’t blame them. If it’s what they like they shouldn’t have to.
PvP doesn’t have to change.
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Hopefully never
That proves literally nothing whatsoever. You’re just trying to make an argument out of nothing because you’re frustrated people dare like different content than you.
Not even close. Faction pride/mechanic is projected in various complex ways. Framing it as pvp as “faction only” is horribly reductionist and narrowminded. I like that we have our own community, with our own norms, with a systemic barrier, with our own storylines and list goes on. Just because YOU don’t like it, doesn’t mean YOU should ruin it for others.
He did not “double down” stop exaggarting. He said they’re thinking about it at best, which can mean a whole slew of things. You’re blowing this way out of proportion.
You’re right, I don’t speak for you. Which is why I never made a sweeping generalization such as what Amorallus made here:
And you know what? You don’t like faction stories/mechanisms don’t participate in them. Simple. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I don’t want stuff deleted for you, and I’m hoping you don’t delete stuff I, and some of others, like. Period.
Comparing all Mythic + players to just Mythic raiders is not a good comparison. Low end Mythic + is casual content. What is the percentage of the player population that does like +20? That would probably be a better comparison.
Would very much like to see this. Let’s face it, the population of this game isn’t what it once was, add to that how many times we work together to stop world ending threats, along with every faction conflict expansion ends up with us teaming up anyways because Blizz can never have one faction truly win.
They’d have to rename the whole game.
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Same can be said for those of us who don’t want cross faction play.
What it boils down to is that humans want to come breed with Vulpera and live out their furry fantasies.
Do they really though, if we are fighting something, regardless of if it’s the other faction or a world ending threats, we are at war with whatever it is. By your logic, when we were fighting the Lich King, Deathwing, the Iron Horde, we weren’t at war.
Moo.
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