I would welcome VELFs and NELFs into Silvermoon.
And when I’m on a VELF or NELF, I think it would be cool to go into Silvermoon.
Just because some of our agents work together doesn’t mean that we’ve changed our view of you.
Sure, the Tauren and Night Elves “theoretically” have a lot going for them. Except… druids aren’t that common in either group. That’s a small subset of the population, and even then many of them aren’t necessarily doing active field work with each other.
Lore wise I’d suspect a Night Elf druid might tenuously be allowed in Thunder Bluff, but be expected to leave as soon as his or her business was concluded. What reason do the Tauren have to allow a Night Elf rogue into their walls? The rogues are not (societally) known for working together. The rank and file Night Elves are not expressly known for any particular kindness or leniency (in fact the Night Elves are, lore wise, one of the most savage races when it comes to fighting).
The Tauren don’t have to “hate” your specific Human. They just need a single reason not to trust most humans. Which they have in spades. You’re conflating the idea that because “heroes” have worked together and probably vaguely know each other, the average Tauren, Human, Orc, or Forsaken, has reason to believe that the other side is suddenly totally open borders.
I believe they only did they because that option wasn’t doing anything for them in the first place so they passed it off as a QOL change
If you had read my OP, you’d know that’s exactly my point.
From Merrium-Webster:
Warcraft
“1 : the art of war : knowledge and skill in the conduct of military operations. 2 plural warcraft : a military or naval ship or plane.”
My point, and the point of this whole thread, is to offer suggestions about why cross-faction content is a GOOD thing, and how we can keep the War in Warcraft while enabling it.
Fair enough.
I’m still catching up on all the replies - it’s good to see so many likeminded individuals and thought-provoking dialogue/suggestions.
While I respect that Ion (along with many others) have a different opinion, as a 13 year veteran I think it’s time to allow cross-faction content… and this will undoubtedly be an important topic heading forward into future expansions.
Yeah I know, I only read it after I replied to the title and I said as much a few posts above xD
Didn’t Blizzard already do this by creating the Mercenary PvP Mode? I know most often when ending up in that mode, most people complained about it.
My solution to this issue was simple. I have both horde and alliance characters and I do stuff with my friends on horde, and I raid/M+ on alliance in a raiding guild.
I typed that out then read your next post but a moment after. Edited my response accordingly. I understand how, with so many posts against cross-faction, one could assume this was another one of those.
As someone with a legion of characters across both factions, I’m just hoping with enough traction threads like mine will get through to Blizzard to where they at least start discussing it.
Quality over quantity is the way we win the day on this matter, I feel.
I too play both factions, but this is more to address the glaring population issues when it comes to PvE content, since that was brought up at BlizzCon.
Sure one could simply have Horde characters to progress, but a more practical solution would be to allow Alliance players to be Alliance while joining in the fun with the majority.
If a person doesn’t want to make a horde character, it is because they want to play alliance. Why would they then want to do stuff with their enemy? Now, if they made a neutral faction that both could join, I’d go for that as some of the things the horde has done has been pretty bad and even my goblin is questioning it.
Nah, I’m good. The most I might do is level up a paladin to 70 and then not log in again until WotLK Classic so I can re-experience the sheer joy I had when ret was at its most comically overpowered in raids.
I much prefer the quality of life improvements in retail and desire even more, like being able to play with my friends on both factions without having to divide my limited playtime between two characters.
Then explain this.
Except there was no faction war. It was all a con by some after life devil that we must all unite for and defeat. It’s a terrible cartoony story that is liked neither by you, me, nor the person above who hates factions, nor most other player. Ironic isn’t it? Everybody keeps saying faction wars make no sense and we should unite blah blah but all don’t want to look in the mirror and realize that’s literally what BfA was. And it sucked.
The lore isn’t being set up for faction conflict as much anymore, but they should. We currently have them, they add a lot, they added a lot throughout the years, they’re richer source of content and development, and we should keep them. That’s my point, I’ll stick with it. Until the faction deletionists provide something better I will not take them seriously, and will actively encourage faction lore, faction divide, faction pride over the current.
Because they simply don’t have time to commit to multiple characters. WoW has been around 15+ years and people’s lives can change significantly over time. They could go from a top tier hardcore raider to a parent or a child to an adult with a lot of responsibilities. They aren’t looking to play with the enemy. They are looking to play with their friends. I like your comment about a 3rd neutral faction because sometimes it would be really nice to divest myself of all the baggage that comes from Horde and Alliance. Too much being made to be evil and stupid to follow a bad narrative.
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Uh, we were not uniting in BfA until the very end of it.
The entirety of BfA was the Kul’tirans vs Zuldazar with the Horde and Alliance jumping in.
But, the problem with this is that Sylvanas was behind the whole thing because she was trying to simp for the Jailer, but she was doing so while she was warchief of the Horde.
But now that she’s no longer the warchief, there’s no need for anybody to fight each other, because 99% of that was because of Sylvanas who is now gone.
It was Sylvanas who kept instigating conflict during Legion, and it was Sylvanas who kept the fire burning throughout BfA. But now that flame has been suddenly snuffed out, and indeed in Shadowlands, there’s not one Iota in canon of the Horde and Alliance fighting each other over anything at all.
In fact they have a tenuous peace going while they fight yet another world-threatening BigBad.
This is silly. There are plenty of players who play both sides to get the full story, and there’s plenty of players who pick a faction because it has a race they want to be. If I want to be Draenei, I’m forced to play Alliance. If I want to be a Vulpera, I’m forced to be Horde.
In all honesty, though?
If I could be any faction? The Alliance tends to have way better stories without all of the bad stuff Horde tends to do throughout the expansions, I think I would probably prefer Alliance. But I wound up with more Horde characters than Alliance because they keep making cool races for Horde and fewer for the Alliance. Dark-skinned dwarves just don’t do it for me, for example.
And Kul’tiran, I’d love to try out… but no Paladin.
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Totally agree with you OP, enabling cross-faction gameplay such as grouping up for raids and dungeons is non-invasive towards maintaining the thematic distinction between the factions, and at the same time provides the player base with much more chances to participate in end-game content.
Your selective editing is cute.
I cannot be a Tauren if I don’t want to pledge to the Horde. Neither can I be a Worgen should I not wish to pledge Alliance.
The best solution is, simply, to relegate Alliance and Horde to the PvP hellzone they ought to rightly occupy, and have PvE matters handled by 3rd-party factions. Anduin, Baine, and everyone else with sane minds decide to form an Adventurer’s League or something so people interested in being heroes can do so, and if you want to just throw bodies at each other for no reason than ‘RAH RAH PRIDE’, the Alliance and Horde are waiting for you.
No… either that or implement free for all pvp everywhere, all the time. No sanctuaries, all servers.
But that’s precisely what made it bad. It was never a faction story in the end. It was all a bunch of baloney for a unification story. The whole thing, from the start was exactly that. It’s the worst, most unpopular part unlike the faction story inning. And there in lies my point, unity stories are boring. Faction stories are great. BfA is proof of that they shouldn’t have ever catered to you guys.
It’s not selective. You’ve been vehemently fighting my opinions that the game should focus more on factions. And the other parts don’t even modify anything - you want them deleted all the same. Don’t go back on your own now
Funny, I remember when BfA came out, and me, plenty of my friends and several people on General were eyerolling at how bad (not evil, I mean, bad) Sylvanas was written at the start of BfA.
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Yes, because it was horribly out of character. Turns out those actions were because she had to fuel an after life that we must all unite for and defeat.
Again, it’s a trash story and had little to do with factions.
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I like to call it the " Letting other people decide when I take a break" mode. Usually the sharding is so bad I get shunted into an all alliance server and end up dying to a gang of them after defending myself against one person.
Perfect time to log out imo