In my first guild we did give a couple items to the main tank, because we literally needed them to be geared enough to progress to survive the encounters (not for threat). That did cause some drama, and pretty sure we stopped doing that in future raids.
But going forward in both guilds people would actually be really nice and give much needed upgrades to key people. It helps to be in a guild of nice people.
I didnât say it was on Anniversary, pre raid going into MC, but yeah in that exact situtation you mentioned yes that would be dumb. But any Warrior tank or dps is gonna be going for QSR or Onslaught. This happened in a TBC guild I was in. Also I didnât say the excuse had any validity to it, it was just how they tried to justify funneling loot.
The people who consider GDKP a âgold farmâ canât math.
Thereâs only one way to bring gold into the WoW economy and that is by completing quests, selling items to NPC vendors, or looting it from mobs.
Selling items on the AH doesnât magically produce gold from nothing. Ultimately the player who buys your item needed to get that gold from somewhere, and that gold first originated from a NPC.
Now thereâs 2 types of gold farms: farming items that you sell to NPCs, or farming items you sell to players.
In either case, it takes time. Youâre either killing NPCs over and over, or riding around farming for herbs/ore/skins. It takes up time. And while your gold per hour can vary considerably, ultimately there is a certain limit to how much gold any gold farm can produce because if a certain gold farm is too good then everyone will do it.
Now how is that different from GDKP? Well because a GDKP run doesnât actually take up anyoneâs time, and let me explain my logic.
If youâre raiding, you need to use a loot system. Regardless of what loot system you use, the raid takes up the same amount of time and that is time that you will be spending in the raid regardless.
GDKP, DKP, loot council, random role, even FFA. It doesnât matter.
So hereâs why GDKP is not a gold farm: It doesnât input gold into the WoW economy, and it doesnât take up anyoneâs time. Youâre not going out farming mobs specifically to make gold. Youâre not spam running an instance. Youâre not AOE farming mobs. Youâre not even going out of your way to boost someone through SM. Youâre raiding, which is something you and everyone else in that raid would be doing anyway if you actually intended to raid.
So the time investment in a GDKP system for those who gain gold from it is essentially nothing. Yes, yes I know someone could make the argument that if not for GDKP then not as many people would be raiding, but that same argument could be made about any other loot system too.
So where does the gold in a GDKP raid come from? It comes from farmers. Either the people who are in the raid farmed the gold earlier, on their own time. OR they got the gold from someone else who did.
But GDKP itself doesnât input any gold into the WoW economy.
This creates a problem for several reasons. First, the people who benefit from GDKP are essentially earning free gold for doing what any other raider would be doing. They arenât offering anything special that any other raiding guild couldnât offer. They arenât taking more of their time, they arenât doing any special raids. They are just⌠Raiding, just like anyone who isnât using a GDKP loot system.
The people who spend gold on these raids then have to use up a lot of extra gold, to obtain items that are essentially free. Basically, any epics that drop in a raid should only be worth the amount of gold your average players in that raid could have earned if doing a normal farm over the same amount of time. Or in other words, a GDKP raid should not earn anyone more gold than they would have otherwise earned doing any actual gold farming.
If that is not the case, which from the pro-GDKP crowd constantly saying âGDKP is the best gold farmâ, then GDKP is going to cause issues both with the social aspects of the game and with promoting RMT gold.
TLDR: GDKP is not a gold farm and anyone who says it is is either lying, or doesnât know how to math. It creates a situation that encourages RMT or excessive gold farming to pay for a service that people should be able to get for free by joining a real guild.
GDKPs doesnât create gold in any way, it only redistributes it. Didnt read your ChatGPT post bt
GDKPs encourage gold buying.
Stop pretending otherwise.
GDKPs are staying banned lil bro.
Thatâs literally what my hand written post said.
Gold is farmed specifically for GDKPs. Their existence absolutely creates gold.
You need a ladder for that reach?
No. The farming creates gold. GDKP creates no gold. Unless someone is able to dupe gold by using GDKP?
Gold is farmed no matter what. When you loot a mob it doesnât matter if GDKPs exist or not, you still get your 3 silver loot.
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Reread what I wrote.
I said their existence leads to gold being farmed. And then redistributed within the GDKP.
Yes, so that means GDKP also encourages RMT gold.
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Of course it does. It relies on RMT.
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GDKP creates gold as a byproduct. It gives bots/farmers whatever you want to call them a reason to increase their effort by âXâ to fill the required need by said people that are buying items in GDKPs.
As we can see on Anniversary the bots/farmers still exist at some capacity whether itâs less or more the demand for gold that is for consumes etc now is still producing a demand which has those bots/farmers to put their effort at âXâ to fill that demand.
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100%, thatâs why the current Anniversary servers have 0 botting issues and no RMT at all
GDKPers think everyone has an IQ of 10 with their dumb arguments.
Of course GDKPs cause people to buy and farm more gold than they normally would.
I guess my big novel of a post above was trying to show this using some basic logic, but I think it flew over the heads of the pro-GDKP crowd.
Essentially GDKP produces no gold, but it instead creates an artificial demand for gold but in a way thatâs harmful to the social fabric of the game.
Who said banning GDKPs would stop all RMT?
That is a fictitious little fantasy world you invented that no one promoted.
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The only people who say such things are pro-GDKP trolls.
The ban removed one reason players buy gold. Itâs a good start.
??? There were post with 5k upvotes saying banning GDKPs would almost completely stops RMTing for Anniversarys on reddit. go look up