The same way m+ you need io to a certain point, the same here applies, you just need to do the next difficulty if you want to upgrade to that level.
And, this is all experimental right? Don’t take anything in this season like it’s something staying forever.
Not at all, firstly comparing the difficulties is just wrong, in any typical season getting the rating required for max upgrades (which is below KSM rating) is much easier than doing even heroic raiding, also has much less organisational requirements, doesn’t a weekly lockout per boss (which considering progress guarantees you aren’t getting them all), and still drops more gear per player, not to mention having much lower requirements for upgrading and more thresholds to allow partial upgrades.
Saying this is an experiment is a PR joke by Blizzard. Anyone with a primary school education knows that for an experiment you need to limit variables and maintain constants.
This “season” is nothing bit variables from a standard raid patch. There is literally no valuable information to be gathered from it.
And yes, it won’t be forever, they will probably go back to raiding being even more unrewarding than M+ because they aren’t interested in putting in the effort to fix gearing as a whole.
You see this as a problem with Mythic+. I see this as a problem with Mythic raids. Actually, a problem with raids in general if I’m being blunt. And also with moldy old stingy loot systems predicated on monthly live service payments.
This is the part where you call me a bottle baby for wanting instant gratification and then I call you a fool for defending getting fleeced by a billion dollar corporation.
Get a better raid group
I hate everything about your post and you as a person .
Stop trying to limit M+. It is the only content in this game that is fun.
Grow up.
Honestly unsurprising
Personally wish they’d remove loot lock out on raids during appropriate time walking events so like during say during WotLK timewalking you could infinitely farm the raid for Invincible or Shadowmourne
Disagree, 15’s are about equivalent to all of Heroic raid. The only difference is endless practice and getting 3x the people to not fail. Mechanically, and DPS/HPS requirement though is probably about equivalent.
If you spammed heroic raid repeatedly all week, it would be just as easy as a 15.
Seems somewhat ironic after jumping off the deep end in response to a forum post doesn’t it?
Actually season 3 was the outlier here. Season 2 required KSM for max upgrades, and so does S4. Season 3 only required 2000 rating, but the KSM requirement was bumped up to 2500 due to having 10 dungeons.
Easy is relative.
If your in 278 gear yeah m+ is easy for 288 gear.
If your in 230-240 gear m+ is alot harder
Also m+ awards upto 288 heroic raids are 291 so you arent even getting heroic gear Yes you can valor upgrade but to my next point.
This isnt even a real season. This season might last 3 months at most, and a normal season wont have uncapped valor at start
Hmm? I don’t recall stating it’s as good as it could be. I’ve proposed my ideas on improving it elsewhere, but basically unlock up to heroic raid spam and valor upgrades for it.
It’s mathematically stated to be tuned way down. Personally, it’s the easiest it’s been since I’ve been raiding even remotely seriously at all since 8.2. Anyone who thinks raid is as hard or heaven forbid harder than it’s been in recent years hasn’t done enough of the raids recently.
Did a count on my gear tonight, and activities that led to it.
So far this season:
20 Heroic raid bosses
9 Mythic raid bosses
26 Mythic+ dungeons
Time spent:
raiding - 21 hours
Mythic+ - 13 hours, 6 minutes
From that:
wearing 3 pieces from raid (304 belt, 298 ring, 291 ring)
wearing 7 pieces from M+ (291 helm, 288 neck, 291 shoulders, 291 cloak, 304 chest, 298 weapon, 298 legs)
Uhhh… lolwut?
To be fair, you need rating to upgrade the loot all the way.
The rating is trivial; they’ve been nerfing Mythic+ dungeons and affixes this entire expansion. Even something like Necrotic is a joke affix, these days (I really don’t understand how people can still complain about it with how many times it’s been nerfed).
Maybe that’s true for really skilled players.
But for me, it took everything I got to achieve my 2k rating. For me, it wasn’t trivial.
Yes, I’m bad. No need to remind me.
Was it easier than Fated Mythic bosses, which give comparable gear?
(Actually, they don’t, they give almost no gear.)
I can’t speak to that because I haven’t raided Mythic since Nyalotha.
I wanna say that M+ 15 is quicker than mythic raiding. But that’s really all I can talk to.
Mythic raiding takes a level of patience, skill and organization that few possess.
To be clear, I think both M+ and Mythic raiding need to die in a dumpster fire.
I don’t know if you’re a troll or just INCREDIBLY bad at reading, but I clearly have KSM(in June): https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/khazgoroth/allolria/achievements/feats-of-strength/dungeons
Like, I don’t even understand what you get out of blatantly lying about something so easy to check.
Do you know what literally means? Because I “literally” do 15’s (and higher).
Still not sure if uneducated or just trolling me.