This thread aged like milk 
Anecdotal at best.
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Yea - cause guilds are NEVER progressing⊠and every raid they touch = 2 hour clears⊠you are freaking delusional!
While you can certainly make the argument that M+ doesnât hold up to how PvPâers can gear, neither does the initial gearing of raiders to PvPâers which is why for the 1st 2 to 3 weeks solid top raiders were in full 226 PvP gear.
Blizzard can not separate PvP from PvE ever, because itâs so toxic, so imbalanced, and so âgimmickyâ - PvP can not and will not ever be able to stand on its own two feet in WoW.
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wrong again + u can get the gear from rbgs too
No you cannot get gear from RBGâs, you can get honor, conquest and rating.
While it indirectly relates to gear, if you canât get past the Rating specified the gear will always stay at 200 item level and like more than 85% of the player base. whoâs still hardstuck at 1400 this proves to work. and the whole âits un fairâ senario is based of pointless complaining
And also most of the PVE players buy their way through boosting, which is also against the TOS. Since, as said, they are too bad to pass 1400 rating mark
wrong again any gear u get from rated pvp is all the same u can buy the gear from it with conquest and u can upgrade to whatever the heck 226
should be the same for valor and m+
since valor + conquest are both capped anyhows
Would without doubt say that you 100% were one of those Pve players. and no, itâs not wrong lmao, you cannot get 226 item level unless you get 2100 rating, which is less than 10% of the current active playerbase.
The valor system also is designed to work the same, where as if you cannot complete a +10 key in all dungeons it wonât let u upgrade past 216 and if u canât do them all in a +15 key, you canât upgrade past 220.
They also multiple times has said that it should never go above raiding (which from any logical view point is accurate)
Also PVP gear is trash in PVE unless ur a class like a demon hunter that benefits of it, which is super rare.
The stats proves me right with people being hardstuck, and they just yell âunfairâ because they canât get to the rating.
Itâs super common. It also takes a new character the same amount of time to get to 2400, that it would do for a new player to clear content up to mythic raiding with a clear.
Letâs not forget if you do a 15+ key you get 226(even if you donât time it), while in pvp if u canât get past 1400 rating (like 85% of the players) the item will stay at 200 item level.
once again you are wrong lol
Not being able to come with anything constructive is admitting defeat, good one
Failing a key has no reward except a lower key than the one you just failed.
Clearing a key and missing the timer isnât failing the key, itâs failing the timer.
Go ahead and put timed restrictions on raid bosses that offer double loot for beating them, then tell people looting the bossâs corpse that they failed the raid. Thatâs basically what you are doing here.
Protip: if you arenât failing the timer on at least some of your keys, you need to run harder keys, because you are not at the level that your skill and/or gear is equipped for. If you only run keys you are sure you will make the timer, thatâs the equivalent of pushing rating in any ladder based game and refusing to play opponents that match your MMR.
No. The whole point of m+ is to time it. If you fail to time it, you have failed and you should not be rewarded with mythic raid loot from the gv for failing.
You cleared the dungeon, correct? So you should be awarded with the loot associated with clearing it, yes?
Do you know of any other progression based scaling system in any game which encourages you to only enter into fights you know you can win?
Arena and RBGs give conquest and honor even if you lose, so are you also advocating for arena and RBG players to only earn GV unlocks and Conquest from rated PvP wins?
You get one piece of loot from the end of dungeon chest for failing, which is fine.
What you donât deserve to get for failing is the SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER ILVL loot from the GV at the end of the week for failing a M+.
That is ok, as long as the keystone is not downgraded.
Like, if you raid, you can wipe 193484938493 times, but when you eventually kill the boss, its 226 loot.
All this mess is due to Vault reward not tied only to M+ (which is fair) and that PvP is the best gearing system in Shadowlands bar none (which is stupid).
Check the best M+ tanks and see how they gear up. Itâs that stupid.
How so? Because as far as facts go, raiding literally cant be harder.
People can just run the AH for high level BOEâs, or pay for runs. The notion that anyone âdeservesâ gear has no rational place in an argument for todayâs game, sorry to tell you.
no you get items and rewards even if you fail the mythic.
Key just drops down a level.
Loot should be a reward for good play and for perseverance. If you fail a key by 60 minutes with 100 deaths, it should drop 5 pieces of loot. An upgrade for everyone, because clearly that key was too high for all of you.
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