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You have your opinion. Different people have different opinions.
Just because you prefer things a certain way doesn’t mean everyone must prefer the same.
It blows my mind how illogical people are.
Snark aside, let’s run through your list. Mine is just another opinion in the wind, but here goes:
- Achievements: has no impact on gameplay, you can pretty much ignore them if you wish, or try to get 'em all. This could even be added into Classic Era with zero impact on the game itself.
- Account wide mounts: Being able to use your favourite mounts with any of your alts is absolutely fine by me. The notion of repeats a grind N time for N of your characters to each have access to the mount seems absurd to me. The mounts themselves are basically cosmetic anyway. It’s a decent QoL improvement; especially no longer having to micro manage bag space for mounts.
- Dungeon finder: This gets into something that really does impact the Vanilla game experience. But it is a vast improvement over what was needed to organise dungeon runs in Vanilla. And considering how old the feature is, I’d still consider it far from “retail”.
- Boss mechanics: not even sure what you’re contrasting here. Boss mechanics have been around since Vanilla. Sure the majority back then were simple tank and spank, possibly with add phases. But it’s not like this didn’t exist.
- Transmog: Again cosmetic, just like the mounts. Why force players to use inferior gear just because they like the look of that gear.
Of the 5 you listed, most are primarily cosmetic. Only 1 has significant gameplay impact and I would have zero concern if any/all were even added to Classic Era itself.
Many people argue over what differentiates Classic from Retail, but really the argument is moot. Each expansion added small changes slowly transitioning to Retail. The exact dividing line is more a matter of opinion than anything else.
- Many pick Cataclysm with its very visible and dramatic changes to old world continents and quests. As well as the gutting of class identity and all the wonderful old class quests.
- Others are more concerned with the tossing of the talent trees in MoP.
- For me, the significant break occurs when we lose the ability to out-level enemies while questing. Also known as dynamic level scaling, added Legion I believe. It really destroys the immersion of your character becoming more powerful. And has some undesirable consequences.
But this Classic/Retail dividing line is also somewhat irrelevant.
Because every single expansion is to some extent a different game (and that’s ignoring the new content with each expansion).
Some differ more than others. But at a minimum the mechanics of the classes were tweaked to accommodate the new level cap.
This is probably most visible with Legion. Playing Legion content in Retail is vastly different from the original experience. This is because mechanisms by which the artefact weapons modified character abilities had to be eliminated due to incompatibility with the reworked classes for BFA.
So while you may opine that the cosmetic similarities overrule the different game mechanics making Cata Classic “the same game” as retail. I don’t see it that way, and very much look forward to MoP, WoD, and especially Legion Classic. (I’ll have to grit my teeth at the dynamic level scaling as much as I’m gritting my teeth at the bugginess of Cata though.)
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I just don’t understand at all, like Cata and Dragon Flight are completely different games… just because Cata might have a few more things in common with Dragon Flight then vanilla doesn’t mean they’re the same game, like what are you even talking about? It doesn’t even make sense… But ultimately play whatever you like, really no one cares what you play or don’t play.
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So you’re saying what makes Classic are the features and not the base gameplay, because I’m sorry but Classic, all of them so far feel nothing like retail, and I would imagine you don’t play retail other wise you would know this.
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That wasn’t a snark though. I’m not saying that Classic+, Classic Expansion Servers, and Vanilla can’t all exist at the same time. So, I’m actually being quite logical.
You know exactly what I meant by what I said. Don’t even act like the first post wasn’t passive aggressive and tried to make it seem like I hate boss mechanics, when I didn’t even come close to implying that, because now we’re just playing semantics.
While most of the things I listed are cosmetic I think with Cataclysm you start to get into the modernization of WoW. Well, there’s already a much better version of that. So, why would I want to play a crappier version of that in Cataclysm.
If you want to replay through the re-releases because you enjoy doing stuff fresh with other people I completely get that. Or, maybe you think it’s “Classic.” I personally don’t.
Achievements: Retail has them. I don’t understand the obsession with having similar game designs between two things that are suppose to be vastly different.
Account wide mounts: I just don’t agree. Again, Retail has that. I enjoy the grind of Classic. If you don’t… I don’t understand why you would be playing it. It legitimately makes no sense to me.
Dungeon finder: I’m glad we can agree because Cataclysm leveling meta is literally spam quests while you do dungeons.
Boss mechanics: There weren’t really boss mechanics in Vanilla, relax. You could basically stand with the tank and spam 1 button over and over again.
Transmog: Again, it’s in Retail. Why would I care about a feature that already exists in another game? I’ll just play that.
I don’t see the point in re-progressing the re-release expansions into what will eventually be Retail WoW again. How does that even make sense?
You’re playing something that will inevitably and objectively transition into Retail no matter how many times you slap the word Classic behind it. That’s where you aren’t changing my mind.
I don’t see how Classic+, Classic Expansion Servers, and Retail can’t all exist simultaneously.
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I would say retail is more of a case but not sure what you describe are retail. First is the homogenization of classes in cata, Another is the uncertainty of when classic will stop releasing expansions meaning we do not know where best to put effort into raids given gear will be repaced each expansion, for retail we have the war within but for classic it might stop in mop or legion, but we really don’t know. As for mechanics well vanilla had a few but really preferred tbc mechanics.
But given better expansions like tbc and wrath did not get currently an era not seeing any reason to stick or do much in cata given its short plan and mop is out in the distance.
cata is closer to bfa with legion being closer to tbc.
Retail has Mythic+, a different gearing system, and entirely different design to classes, an entirely different talent system, entirely different raid content, different format for PVP, different meta for PVP, different structure to raid lockouts. It is quite literally a different game. It’s not subjective, it is objective. It is objective the size, scope, and impacts those systems have on the game. What is subjective is whether or not you like that, and how much you care about them.
I mean how stupid do we have to make the arguments here? Era has action bars, a class system, tab target button combat. It’s JUST like retail OMG!
Not only do I have literally no context for these references, I am willing to bet there is a little bit of dishonesty in the comparison even still.
What is or is not the start of “modern wow” depends on what you are claiming to be modern. Are you talking about technology? Do we consider merged servers, phased areas, and layers to be modern wow because some of that already existed in Classic when Classic released. Is it specific types of difficulty tiers and the updating of gear to a certain system? If so which system is “modern”?
Also uh, why does that even matter? Why does it matter if Cataclysm meets your arbitrary designation of modern wow for whatever reason you are saying? What bearing does that have to do with anything?
Maybe, if WoW gets to a point where we have another 6-8 expansions past Dragonflight it’s entirely possible. That’s the point of Classic, to experience older versions of the game. Not just the versions you want to visit.
It seems that there is an incongruence in your statements here. Either you don’t care, or you want to pass judgement.
No one will ever agree on anything ever in this game other than “Blizzard sucks”. There is never and will never be parity in views. What I consider Classic+ might match your view or it might not, and if it does it probably won’t match the other millions of players. We do however have what Blizzard feels is a Classic+ idea in Season of Discovery.
Which is exactly what they are ding.
Ok, then do not play Cataclysm Classic. Play on Era. Or try out Season of Discovery. You’re not required to play Cataclysm Classic if that’s not what you want or if you find the gameplay unappealing or you’re not having fun. It IS an option to not play a game you don’t like. I bought Destiny 2 on launch and liked it for a bit, but eventually hated it and stopped playing for years. Got back into it recently and have been enjoying coming back. If I stop having fun, I’ll stop playing. That’s how games are.
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You lost me as soon as you went there. I didn’t even bother reading the rest.
I think you’re confused that I don’t want Cataclysm to exist. I literally don’t care what version of WoW you play. I’m saying all of these things should exist.
Same old blah blah blah. You have two choices:
- Play the game as Blizzard has presented it to you
- Play something else. This might be another Blizzard offering or something else entirely.
That is all.
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I take it free speech offends you. You actually have a 3rd option. To not play it at all.
xD
Why does everyone think that I want to take Cataclysm away from them? What a weird mindset. Play whatever you want dude.
RIP for the 3 peasant edits.
There is always Era for that classic, everquest style mmo life.
What are you going on about? I have made no comment about free speech. however I will point out that this is a forum for CATA discussion. You need to be posting in the Calassic GENERAL forum.
Second I made no statement about anyone taking anything away. Don’t EVER claim I said something I did not.
Finally I gave you the two options available to you. It doesn’t matter what you want. Unless Blizzard creates new servers they are still your only two options.
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Cataclysm is the most recent release of a past expansion, aka Classic. Retail, currently, is Dragonflight, setting up to go into The War Within soon
I don’t get what’s confusing about it. The “direction” of Classic is the rerelease of past expansions until it stops generating money
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Which is why I made the joke that you hate free speech, relax. It wasn’t serious. You’re essentially shutting down any kind of discussion when blah blah blah basically translates to “I don’t want to hear it.”
You couldn’t make a more obvious statement.
Yes that implies that I’m unhappy with the current “Classic Expansion” that we’re talking about which is Cataclysm. Maybe don’t be captain obvious next time and state the most basic fundamental thing about a game. It comes off very passive aggressive.
You do seem a little anti free speech though. What a weird mindset to have. If it doesn’t matter what I want, then don’t worry about it.
I don’t think you even know what I want though.
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The most common translation for “blah blah blah,” is trivial, obvious, or boring content.
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If you don’t want to bother reading anything, don’t bother replaying. Why even post here? Why do anything? Are you just here to vent and troll then? Like what an actual useless response. “Here’s a question, now if you say something I don’t like I’ll not read your response and then be very passive aggressive about it.”
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Is this the “just asking questions” of this conversation? You keep saying you don’t care, you aren’t trying to change anything, and then EVERY SINGLE TIME you talk about Cata it’s a criticism. Pick a lane.
Weird it’s almost like I can have an opinion to not like something, but still think it’s okay for other people to enjoy it, while still wondering what the future of Classic Era is.
I don’t think you know how being subjective works and that’s okay. I’m not saying to add or remove Cataclysm. I’m simply giving my subjective take. It’s okay I forgive you.
Infact they will continue to re-release every old expansion and it will more than likely be a success every time. And that’s fine.
Let’s not lie. This is a lie. You’re not just “I don’t really like it” if that was it you wouldn’t be on these forums repeating this over and over again. That’s not likes, those are DIRECT attacks. Call a spade a spade. You are being insanely disingenuous. What even is your point or purpose here?
Don’t like Cata, leave. Stop playing cata classic and get off the forums. I just solved all your problems.
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