Compilation - Blizzard's Lies

Lore Story Forum
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I don't know if you're taking only Horde-related lies but:

Returning to goblins and worgen, what would you say is each races unique selling point?

The idea we started out with was: "Let's do a race that actually transforms in some way". And that evolved into this idea of taking the worgen, which is a story we've wanted to tell for a really long time, and make it so that people can change between their human and worgen form. For the Alliance, they represent a bit more of a sinister race than a lot of the others. They certainly don't have the purity of the Draenei. When we were developing them we thought of them as kind of the Forsaken for the Alliance.

A bit like the inverse of what the Blood Elves did for the Horde?

Exactly. They've got a little bit of a darker side and a little bit of their own agenda. They're part of the Alliance, but they still have their own demons.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2010/nov/30/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-interview


This is from the guy that's president of Blizzard Entertainment now.

Back to Horde again, I think there was another lie where they said the Horde would finally find itself and go back to its honorable root, instilling pride back to the more honorbound segment of the Horde, but it's been a while and I'll have to mine for it sometime.
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"There is no horde bias"
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Thanks for making this thread, Cannibal!

11/05/2018 06:48 PMPosted by Rothiron
And, devil's advocate, the Sylvanas snippets might even be half truths rather than lies. All things considered, Sylvanas' motives and endgame aren't entirely clear yet, even if peeps are rightly concerned or miffed about it.

The part about not doing what they did with Garrosh, maybe. But either they were lying last April when they said she wasn't evil and cruel, or they are lying now when they keep going on about her "evil plans" and generally talking her up as worse than Garrosh and Arthas combined.
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Wow. You know you've messed up when Cannibal turns against you.

Here you go, Cannibal. I made this just for you: https://imgur.com/OjX2yU1
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...

C:

*slowly falls backwards from chair and falls through the plane of reality to float in endless space*
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Seeing those posts together really hurts, a lot. I've made peace with the possible fact Blizzard is going to pull a 'redemption' arc with Sylvanas, it's a bitter pill to swallow and something I did not want to do initially.

Thank you for the post, Cannibal and thanks Pellex for also keeping a list! It's times like this I wish I kept my own list, though I'm sure it'd turn into a Book of Grudges at the end of the day.

11/05/2018 10:23 PMPosted by Cannibal
It's hard seeing this happen to it. It's watching something you love slowly turn into something you hate, and the part you loved about it slowly die with it.
I've been there. Not to sidetrack the thread, of course, just offering my own feelings as well. It's where I am when it comes to Kaldorei content. Terror of Darkshore and the Night Warrior(questionable) are good steps in the right direction for Night Elves but until I see Blizzard dedicated to it past the Warfront, I won't be giving them any praise. I'm thankful but I'm not going to throw myself at their feet.
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11/05/2018 06:07 PMPosted by Cannibal
That should help to alleviate the concerns of Horde players who were worried that the unfortunate matter of that genocide would cast them as the baddies.

...but they already are baddies... because blizzard forced them...

oh my god they are going for a half-assed redemption aren't they?

i also remember how they played with the people not revealing who the hell burned the tree.

And it was one of the worsts possibles.
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To be fair, at least one of the Garrosh quotes came from a community manager. He probably didn’t know what direction Garrosh was going.
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11/06/2018 07:05 AMPosted by Etheldald
11/05/2018 06:07 PMPosted by Cannibal
That should help to alleviate the concerns of Horde players who were worried that the unfortunate matter of that genocide would cast them as the baddies.

...but they already are baddies... because blizzard forced them...

oh my god they are going for a half-assed redemption aren't they?

That quote is from the person who wrote the article, not from anyone at Blizzard. I wouldn't take it as evidence of future story plans.

11/06/2018 07:17 AMPosted by Arlifrex
To be fair, at least one of the Garrosh quotes came from a community manager. He probably didn’t know what direction Garrosh was going.

Then he shouldn't have been making public statements about the character. At most, he could have gone with "wait and see."
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11/05/2018 10:18 PMPosted by Ivalesse
Oh my God. This !@#$ing thread.

The absolute STATE of the Horde right now. I think my sides might burst.
man did some horde character gank you or something? is that why you are so obnoxious?
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11/05/2018 06:31 PMPosted by Grandblade
I don't have it on hand, but there's the one about Grommash Hellscream being WoD's final boss.
That was a weird one, because it changed several times.

-Grommash Hellscream will be the last boss of the expansion
-Grommash Hellscream will be part of the last boss of the expansion
-Grommash Hellscream will be helping you against the last boss of the expansion

I wonder if it changed halfway, or they were misphrasing it, or a couple someones let slip things they weren't supposed to.
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I am not really defending Blizzard here, they have lied to us quite a bit in recent years, but I still do not believe Sylvanas is Garrosh 2.0. Sylvanas has always been evil, where Garrosh was a slow decent into evil. I think it's unrealistic for Horde players to have expected Sylvanas to act in a way that wouldn't be selfish or malicious, as that would be very much against how she has acted in almost every past instance.

Still, I think Blizzard is doing something else here. Saurfang in the most recent Cinematic looked a lot like Thrall, and Anduin looked a lot like Medivh saying "You must rally the Horde and lead your people to their destiny."

We see a split in the Horde but we also see it a bit with the Alliance. Tyrande has recieved a Kael'thas storyline, Anduin is serving to be her less-racist Garithos. I do not think things are going to go the way we think, Blizzard is going to throw us a curveball pretty soon.

My outlandish theory? The Void told Alleria that Sylvanas "Serves the True Enemy" We don't really know who that is, but that gives the Void an incentive to help the Alliance win this War. Maybe Azshara steps into the fold by offering Tyrande aid in retaking Darkshore? Similar to how Lady Vashj did the same with Kael'thas.

In 8.1, the Alliance gets to lay seige to Zuldazar. Maybe the Horde gets to do the same to Nazjatar? Imagine if the Naga and N'zoth didn't make their grand entrance as big bads, but as an Allied race leader? How weird would that be? Xalatath said it herself, N'zoth often found a means to benefit from his defeats, and with Azshara helping the Alliance, and Sylvanas carrying Xal'atath, it would appear as though the Void sits in a win-win scenario.

Maybe the end of the Faction conflict comes when the Champions of Azeroth finally say "Enough" with this faction conflict, and rise up to dismantle both of them, who have since become puppets of the Void.
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I wonder if this would get a blue post if it was posted in GD. I would enjoy seeing a response to it.
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11/06/2018 09:30 AMPosted by Mediarama
I wonder if this would get a blue post if it was posted in GD. I would enjoy seeing a response to it.
No, it would be locked after reaching 15 pages in an hour. Good thing the Blues never come here...
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11/05/2018 06:35 PMPosted by Drallín
I maintain that the villain-batting of Garrosh remains to this day the worst decision regarding the Horde storyline in this game's history.

Vol'jin's death and Sylvanas' appointment is a close second.


Personally think the worst decision Blizzard made was the ... well just Burning Crusade's lore in general. That expansion was a paradox for me, it was the best expansion gameplay wise. Worse expansion lore wise, WoD, BfA included.

It was the expansion that caused the Eredar fiasco. Turning Eredar into corrupted aliens destroyed more lore than what was thought. They turned the Burning Legion from a mystical cosmic force into a legion of roided out aliens. If Blizzard worked with the old lore, we could have had the Draenei be Eredar seeking redemption. We could of had Tieflings! Much better than space alien goats! Not to mention this was the starting point that caused Blizzard to go "Rule of Cool" instead of continuity.

Then villianfying and killing off WC3 heroes like Kael'thas, Illidan, Vashj. I only include Vashj because she could have been a cornerstone to give either side Naga. Nagas with legs, as long as their Naga. One of the sides might be receiving that finally as an Allied race. Kael'thas would be a perfect addition to the Horde right about now. He would even the playing field with Jaina. He would be our mega mage vs theirs. More reasons why killing Kael'thas was a bad idea but too long of a list. Illidan, well we had to go through Illidan's adventure during Legion. That alone tells anyone how bad a mistake it was to kill him off.

Villain batting Garrosh is a 2nd after that, killing Vol'jin and making Sylvanas as Warchief is a 3rd.
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Its really disheartening to know that you can't really put any stock in what they say. I think that is an important part of the current frustration people are feeling.
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11/05/2018 10:40 PMPosted by Sundenna
"There is no horde bias"
I'm really baffled how you could get "Blizzard have duh herde bias!!!" from repeated quotes of them outright lying to us.
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11/06/2018 06:21 AMPosted by Hackbrew
Wow. You know you've messed up when Cannibal turns against you.

Here you go, Cannibal. I made this just for you: https://imgur.com/OjX2yU1
My disposition towards Blizzard as a whole has shifted drastically this year. This is mostly off-topic, but if anyone likes tea...

Back in March, I decided to ask the Customer Support forum about their policy on RPing the use of drugs, since there's in-game items and NPCs that do drugs. Orlyia, whom I've had numerous issues with in the past, decided to blank my thread and replace it with "No, just no."
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20761888172

Feeling this was awful customer service (and her one job to do correctly), I decided to ask about it. She told me I can't wiggle my way around the rules (without explaining the rules or why they exist) and told me to not post about it further, locking my thread.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20761958142

Continuously unsatisfied with her terrible customer service skills, I opened a ticket, and was finally given an answer.
While in-game content is governed by the ESRB and our Teen rating, player behavior is governed by the Terms of Use and Code of Conduct. With that in mind there is some content that while perfectly acceptable when experienced through the game (i.e. NPC’s, quest dialog, etc…) it would not be appropriate as part of a player discussion on the forums or in game. Promoting real world recreational drug use is not permissible in game or on the forums. Naturally, discussions of this kind are not allowed on either of these platforms, and will be silenced.


This was the start of my issues with Blizzard's staff in general.

Shortly after, a friend of mine who works at Blizzard as a Level 2 Test Manager (basically QA for future patches) decided to quit. I gave him a call to see what happened, and he explained his managers were cultivating an atmosphere he didn't agree with. He said he took extra steps to listen to player feedback, encouraged those under him to listen as well, and expanded his reports from more than just "This NPC doesn't interact properly," to "This quest doesn't make logical sense," which Blizzard felt wasn't a part of his job description and reprimanded him numerous times for it. After raising numerous concerns and not being heard, he decided to leave. I pressured for more details, but his NDA held, and he said he can talk about it after BfA is over, but maybe not even then. In the mean time, he was moving on to hopefully get a position at Rockstar San Diego.

Shortly after this, a particular player began posting on the World's End Tavern forum, where I frequent most often. You guys even got to see parts of her "fan fiction" here as well. They mostly revolved around her 15 year old character involved in sex acts with Anduin, on top of having two different Ashbringers, fighting Jaina all the time, being a temporary sex slave to Sylvanas, etc.

I reported her numerous times for 14 instances of linking pornography to the forums, among many other CoC violations, and nothing was done for 3 months. I took it to BlizzardCS and pestered them actually do something about it. They blocked me on Twitter.

If you want the extra tea, add me on Discord and I'll send you the link to the tweets. There's NSFW images there so I can't add it here. Cannibeans#3192

All of this, with the poor narrative choices this entire expansion, has culminated into a terrible personal experience with most facets of Blizzard Entertainment. Diablo: Immortal is getting worse and worse in my eyes as well. I've lost a vast amount of respect for Blizz, which is sad to say and feel, but it's where I'm at currently.
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11/06/2018 01:45 PMPosted by Cannibal
decided to blank my thread and replace it with "No, just no."

That's just a failure to even do his job. He should have posted the copy/pasted PR response you got from the ticket and then locked the thread. That's literally all the guy had to do.
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I feel like Cannibal's experience is a mirror of my own, if an experience greatly amplified in part due to having some actual personal connections to Blizzard.

I absolutely love the setting, to an unhealthy degree as some of you have probably observed. I get passionate about how I feel in regards to characters, locations, and greater overall themes. Sometimes I feel i'm just thinking too hard.

That last bit is amplified for BfA, while I don't hate it more then MoP or WoD, I don't feel rewarded for investing in my characters or their stories to the degree I have. I feel attempting to look at situations realistically, critically, is a form of self abuse, not entertainment.