Eve online did the same thing with a council,and in the end it changed nothing.This council is just a PR move so Blizz can say look we care about player feedback. This time it’s different.
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I 100% agree with this, this would show all the peons in the community that they do know what they’re talking about.
I fully understand that if you’re a raider, you would want someone who raids representing your part of the community and the same goes for casual players and PVPers side.
I’m trying not to judge this counsel but it is looking like what I feared, a bunch of “Yes” men being picked.
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That’s the whole point though. The whole purpose of the community council was to be a transparent and distilled representation of the wider community without the usual trolling that goes on in GD. So what does one guy do? Decides to immediately create a discord to further fragment that and eliminate both transparency and Blizz’s immediate control and ability to see the discussion as it unfolds. It’s literally the antithesis of what Blizz’s purpose was. SMH.
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How is it different? Human behavior doesn’t change ,they always fellow the same familiar path which is the easiest route possible as soon a it changes it stops.
This is an unfortunate side effect of EU people (such as me) coming over here to post on NA, as there is no way to connect EU and NA together. This is the middle ground we had to settle on.
Personally, for the sake of transparency, I have linked my main’s armory on the introduction page. Others chose not to do so, and we can’t do anything other than respect the decision, even though I personally don’t agree with it either.
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This idea with the CC will fail, just like it did in the past. This isn’t the first time this thing has been tried.
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And what makes you think the fact that they list “problems” is in the best interest of the players ?
That is actually a very common mistake people make when talking about the dynamics of power. If Blizzard really had any interest in changing it to the players’ will, they would have done already, because all that is plain to see. YouTubers, Specialized Media, this very forum.
It does not matter what is there as “statement”. Statements can be made anywhere.
What they did was take from you the power to voice your concerns, and give that power to some one to voice it the way they want it to be voiced, so they can solve it the way they want to solve it.
And that is the point of “representation that doesnt represent you”.
Take for instance the idea of WHO is there.
How many players are streamers ? How many players are youtubers ? And more specifically, how many players are WoW YouTubers ? How many players actually make ANY contribution to the public image of WoW ? 10 % ? 5 % ? How many players are hard core pvpers ? How many players are hardcore pvers ? 10%, 5% ?
If there were a 10% fraction comprised of those at some point, they are much less now.
Yet, that is the people “representing the players”.
What do you think drives that union ?
What Blizzard, streamers, hardcore players have in common ? The desire for fame and publicity for the product/services associated with a brand.
Get the average wow player. Does it matter to them the “fame and publicity for the product/services associated with a brand” ? No. In most cases it goes against their better judgment. And that is why any game that does only what is best for the fame and publicity is garbage and lose both. You need players for that, but what you do only for that is detrimental to the player experience.
That is how most games cant keep the success they earn, and start getting bad as soon as they get famous. That is why the “money people” cant make a good game with their own minds, and need people who are not in there “for the money” to make it good. Because most players want a good game, not a famous game. The game sells more when its main objective is not sell itself, because in having that as its main objective, it loses the drive to be a game that is enjoyable to play.
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They actually aren’t obligated to be mouthpieces for the community. They’re just supposed to represent themselves as a broad sampling of playstyles and perspectives. The poster you’re talking about is making a concentrated effort to introduce points from the broader community, though. I think trying to rope in Blizz profiles to the discord is not ideal for the reasons you outlined, however–it should remain a means of collating community concerns and little else.
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I look at this and do realize they do need feed back but that is the wrong way to go about doing so. Ask GD for the feed back use the analyzes of what they come up with and represent the general wow community. What’s wrong with asking in a orderly fashion?
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Fear of harassment is a genuine concern for council folk; I mean, I’ve already gotten multiple DMs and whispers and I’ve posted what I think to be things that a VAST majority of folks agree with me about.
Like others said, a large chunk of the council thus far are EU folk that can’t use their EU license/characters and had to level a character to 10 to post on the forums here. (Though honestly, I’m not sure why the data between the EU and NA forums can’t be merged. Probably too much of a process to undertake before this whole shenanigans started.)
I’m all about transparency, that’s why I’m using my main even though it’s on TBCC servers. This is my retail main’s Armory:
And my TBCC proper main’s WCL:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/benediction/basîl
While I’m not afraid to post on my main…‘both’ of them, I can completely empathize with why other people don’t want to do so.
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I never said they were obligated to do anything. But the assumption was that Blizz chose them to do as described. It’s up to Blizz to pick the right people to be a sample of most other players in the game. Sure one person can have good issues to discuss. But they can also undermine the purpose of the forum it would appear, too.
The reason why I created the Discord is so that I can keep talking to people about the game whenever and wherever I (and hopefully other Council members) want. It will not fragment the Council itself, its just an extra room for those who want to participate in conversations.
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i was taken aback by this as well
It was bad idea.
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Honestly, if anything, Prosident making that discord really just shows that Council people aren’t having their posts proofread by blues or anything like that, and that we are and have been posting our own thoughts and opinions, not just being Blizz yes-men.
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The first introduction post.
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You have to address problems to correct them. Short term profits chasing is cancer to gaming companies, but it isn’t as binary as you are painting it out to be. You can push out an enjoyable game and still turn a buck. This very game has done so consistently over time, even if the last two outings were disastrous.
Ultimately, it will boil down to how genuine or not this community outreach is. I have less than a sliver of faith in this company by now, but I welcome being wrong.
should have just been a unique avatar. Not a toon with an armory
Hahaha. No. People have enough issues with stalking idiots outside of game. They don’t need them in game as well.
First of all ,i want to thank those CC members for coming here to discuss this ,you really didn’t have to and i like you honesty.
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