I dont want it to be gated. I want the whole line to be switched.
Like Loaded and thrill for the hunter are Arrow based Talents while Kill cleave is a Kill command one. And kill command ones are on the left side while the arrows ones are on the Right side.
Im not saying these node should switch I mean the line on top should also. Like keep pets/Kill command stuff on left and arrow on right not half half like it is right now
Except they’re general hunter talents that are fairly important for ± any type of BM build and have nothing to do with Wailing arrow.
I don’t see the gain from switching them.
Im not saying to get rid of them. Im saying to keep arrow based talent on 1 side on the tree while pet side on the other. Right now you have pet side on the up right than on the bottom left. Same for Arrows Up left/ up right /Bottom right and wailing who’s bottom left.
What I suggest is just a better branching. If you move Thrill of the hunt you also bring Loaded quiver with it on the same branching. While you move Kindred spirits /Killer command and kill cleave on the other side. So Arrow based and pets based talent are not everywhere but each in their own row
No, bc if you keep mongoose optional its ALWAYS going to be a requirement for viable ST damage. So either you dont take it and your garbo on ST or you take it and your garbo on aoe.
It would be better to remove KC from surv altogether.
If you build the tree this way:
RS
WB. MS
Then your allowing people to not only be viable for both ST and aoe, but your also opening up FS to be a small cd with focus building opportunities so when you hit CA or SH then you have that extra focus coming in on demand. PLUS it builds sorely needed identity in the tree. Right now its a big mess or crap thrown together. If you built bombs and pets on the left / then MS and fury on the right, not only do you get identity, but directional flow AND sustainable builds in that category without having to go deep into the other one.
I like the idea of the “Devilsaur Bite” skill you made, but it would need serious tuning. Making things have guaranteed crit on 1000% AP is absolutely insane. That’s like…7 Mortal Strikes. Or 3 Chaos Bolts.
For context:
My question is, how many Chaos Bolts can a warlock fit into 20 seconds? How many Mortal Strikes can a warrior fit into 20 seconds.
Maybe not 1000% ap but for comparison,
Lacerate was this:
Lacerate
Survival Hunter Ability
35 focus. Requires Melee weapon
Instant cast. 12 second cooldown
960% AP over 12 seconds is comparable to 1000% every 20 seconds.
But yeah tuning would be required of course.
I want that from my pretty Panther
Pretty sure Legion Lacerate was only 233.3% AP…
That’s not the only relevant question, though. If you could do the same damage in one GCD as would take another class 7 GCDs, you’re getting effectively 6 more GCDs uptime per that cooldown.
And in this case, if it’s a true pet ability, it won’t take even 1 GCD of uptime. You have to tune for the lack of opportunity cost, as well, not just the frequency with which the burst damage is dealt.
As such, you’d likely be looking at something nearer to around an effective 180% AP at most for a mere 20s pet CD.
And that “effective” AP would have to account, too, for its being an auto-crit, if you chose to do that.
Hmm yeah not sure why that would read 960% then lol. You’re right wowhead confirms 233.3%AP.
This is also true and can be tuned to reflect the GCD costs ratios. Plus factoring a new lower AP%.
This is definitely not a pet ability. It would be a mew punchier tier of Raptor Strike. Devilsaurs are much bigger than Raptors, avian or otherwise.
I like the Auto crit from behind as it plays into the class fantasy. I also like the reduction of CD per RS/MB crit. It could be 20second cooldown or with enough crit it could be 12.
Ahh, I had thought it was a meant to be an actual Devilsaur ability. My fault for not following the reply-chain up high enough.
Has anyone with Alpha, tested BM AoE? On live Wild Spirits props up BM AoE. Since Wild Spirits is gone, wondering how BM AoE is.
Hardly anything is actually implemented and functional right now.
This is the sorriest class tree. Looking at the shaman tree getting everything right in the first draft, I’d be rioting in the alpha forums. The utter lack of creativity and disconnect from the hunter playerbase.
I so wish we could see how these are working in game! I can’t tell if I should be really excited or terribly frustrated.
Below is my first attempt at a revised MM Hunter spec tree for DF. I have noted some differences and/or changes from the current tree. All other nodes have their current abilities & descriptions intact.
The intent was to provide a bit of flexibility while plainly indicating which selections are for AoE vs ST. This tree includes a new Aimed Shot bleed, as well as bringing back Sniper Training with some enhancements. All percentages and durations are subject to changes, as necessary. I also wanted a bit of symmetry in the look of the tree itself.
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You won’t get banned for posting links. If you don’t have the trust level you can surround the link with backquotes `like this` which turns it into a code block for easy copy-pasting:
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In any case here’s the embedded link:
Thank you, Bepples.
It took me a while reorganizing the nodes to create better symmetry, as well as a more logical predecessor/successor layout. I’m still not sure about combining Volley/Double-Tap, but felt it was a decent compromise for the extra abilities that were added. The Piercing Shots talent was included (and modified) since I didn’t see any reference to the current Master Marksman bleed mechanic in the DF information. < [In the Class Tree, will need to be modified.]
Again, this is a rough draft and is open to suggestions. I didn’t analyze damage potential or throughput. There is a total of 37 nodes and maximum skill points of 50. The point total is a bit low when compared to other trees, but this can be adjusted.
EDIT: I just realized I forgot to add a link from Careful Aim to the Lone Wolf placeholder node.
EDIT2: Unintentional bonus, the tree is in the shape of an arrowhead. I have an idea of shaping the BM tree like the face of a wolf.
EDIT3: Removed the link to True Shot from Lone Wolf. Added a single node after Lone Wolf (if it remains) for Primal Rage [only usable with Lone Wolf active].
Okay, I finally made my first two posts.
I only posted about half of what I wanted to – since I was already hitting fourteen pages in my rough draft.
I covered the following:
I’ll be covering both the BM and SV trees another day, along with more “miscellaneous” points that many players have brought up on this forum – like the lack of abilities for SV, the lack of “cool stuff” for the Hunters in general, and so on.
EDIT: I’ll be also discussing themes more deeply. That goes without saying, I think.
EDIT 2: Yes, I’ll cover Lone Wolf. Don’t worry about that!
Below is my first attempt at a revised BM Hunter spec tree for DF. I have noted some differences and/or changes from the current tree. All other nodes have their current abilities & descriptions intact. The multi-point talents are not complete.
I am painfully aware that I am limited on detailed characteristics of BM Hunter (I played during BfA while running dungeons). This is a rough draft intended on providing a template that can be built upon. There is still much that needs to be improved. I wanted to try and add options to interact with pet abilities but ran out of time. The shape of a wolf’s head was intentional.
The text below does allow access (spaces added to break the link).
https:// imgur. com /a/7hrUxZC
Well done water!
I will have my generic tree AND a surv tree ready for you to look at for ideas here in the next day or so. I would like to see you post them on cc and alpha so they reach blizz and hopefully fix many issues with surv.
However, after reading your initial notes, i do want to suggest being a bit more critical about some of the things on the trees. For instance, you mention how traps are situated yet you dont clarify that most people want nesingwary’s gone. So you offer insight but you dont offer suggestions.
I did like how you pointed out there is a little identity, which there is, however you didnt point out that there is zero direction in the tree. I did like how you pointed out issues with pitch points in the tree.
I hope your substantially more critical with msv. It has no identity, no direction, the tree is a mess, and is boring af.
Oh, also, you forgot to mention that the generic tree, and the spec tree are absolutely boring af. There is no excitement. Ive heard this across the hunter playerbase. Everyone goes to the other trees and are like wowwww, but then return to the hunter tree and are like ugh, then exit the window. This is especially true for msv.
