The Vulpera hate will subside in time, they’re new and an easy target for jokes and ridicule cause it’s a ‘cute’ race in the Horde. And the furry jokes, of course. There will be a handful of people that will stick to their Vulpera bad guns, but give the bandwagon people something new to complain about and they’ll focus on that instead. It’s the WoW cycle. I don’t agree with the harassment, but for a light at the end of the tunnel, if most people don’t give the pandas crap anymore, the Vulpera will get through their hazing ritual.
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So, I’m not a fan of them, but I’m going to go and build on this fact of not understanding the hate worgen get from their own faction.
Worgen have been incredibly loyal to the Alliance since they joined in Cata. With the only ‘hiccup’ being that one time in Stormhiem which was shown to not be very unjustified… yeah, no. If my character is horde, yeah, they dislike the worgen for being dang dirty dogs. Alliance? Oh hell no. Worgen are arguably the big balls bois of the Alliance and you could even argue most selfless after BfA. Alliance made moves to push north, the Worgen could’ve joined that in a effort to reclaim their homeland faster. What did they do? They put their big boi pants on and Leeroy Jenkins their way to help the Kul Tirans and Kaldorei en mass instead. Literally the biggest reason I can boil the worgen hate to down to with a lot of people is “but they have fur…”
Now, gonna toss the wrench in others. The viewpoint of “But the horde should never feel anger towards the Alliance.” it complete and total bunk.
Do I agree all the horde should? No. Orcs should be kissing the feet of the Alliance for how the fourth war ended. Forsaken should keep real quiet since they are on the chopping block. This said, most people fail to give decisive reasons to why groups like the blood elves and zandalari should just up and forgive. No, citing previous crimes that were either not done by them or were done by people they ousted in a civil war do not count, the latter would only serve to inflame the sentiment since you’re trying to blame someone who solved it for the issue. People who keep trying to heckle these groups and say they have no right to be mad should understand that the refusal to address said anger is what ultimately lets it fester and manifest into something really bad.
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Looking back, it does sort of feel like the Horde getting a new race always triggers this weird sort of vitriol from purists. I wasn’t really around for goblins being introduced, but I would’ve thought people would learn after like sixteen years; instead, we had people on this forum of all places swearing blood oaths to harass vulpera players into race-changing.
It’s a very specific sort of immaturity that, when I was a teenager, I just sort of assumed most people would grow out of.
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Most Vulpera roleplayers/characters I’ve seen as an observer are usually, well, uhhh…
Bad enough that I deleted my own little rat man because they made my skin crawl. Sure, I shouldn’t paint them all with the same broad brushstroke but I would rather not hang around children lying about their age or people lacking in emotional maturity.
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Zandalari have tried to conquer Azeroth multiple times just in context of the timetable of the game proper. It was a big ol’ mid-Cata plot point. If anything, the Zandalari should be thanking the Alliance for putting Rastakhanramadamadingdong in the ground and letting Tanaji take over. She’s at least got a sensible head on her shoulders, even if she’s burdened by a bargain her dipstick dad made because he had his head pushed so far up his own backside he was piping in air by the tusks poking out of his navel.
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How exactly has the Alliance wronged the Blood Elves? And I’m asking that as a guy who has spent the entirety of the franchise since their inception (WarCraft 2 onward) as a major fan of Quel’thalas.
Garithos’ rotting corpse likes to get drug out all the time but Garithos represents the Alliance the same way Putress represented the Horde.
Dalaran’s another big point of contention, but again…Sunreavers were facilitating the seizure of a potential weapon of mass destruction. Dalaran had been neutral territory up to the point the Sunreavers decided to pick a side. When the woman whose home had just been magically atom bombed had been put in charge after the last leader of the city died in the attack.
No, by all means Blood Elves…poke that bear. SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
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Some of those people are still posting, too! It’s funny.
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Goblins being introduced was absolutely nothing like Vulpera. Goblins were one of the major Horde races in WCII and while not everyone is a fan of them, they were more or less welcomed with open arms.
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Something that has come to my attention a lot is the public usage of Demons in cities where they shouldn’t be. {Bars, Inns, etc.} and allowing them to free-roam.
I don’t understand it, at all. We just had an expansion where the burning legion was pointedly bad, but yet people are allowing Demons muck about, and treating them like actual human beings instead of slaughtering them. Some are even romancing them.
I don’t get that viewpoint, considering the only places that demons should even be allowed from my knowledge is like the Cleft, Murder Row, and out of Public in the ‘darker’ area’s.
{Not to mention wouldn’t it be a spit in the face by the many wrongdoings of Demons to people to date one?}
Perhaps someone can explain this to me, and I hate to point fingers but why aren’t the Illidari doing anything about this?
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My furry bias is showing, but people that don’t take Pandaren seriously IC.
Yes I get the Kung fu Panda crap even though Chen Stormstout literally helped found Orgrimmar but okay.
But you have a race of people that practice martial arts for fun. They faced a cultural genocide, broke the shackles of slavery with nothing but their bare hands and made a pretty successful Empire for themselves. Their former masters are but a shadow of their former glory and spend most of their time trying and failing to be marginally threatening to the point that they tried to resurrect the one dude that beat a God in a fistfight because he was their best shot at getting SOMETHING done.
They’re capable of insane physical feats (Bears IRL just LOOK fat. That’s all muscle under there.) Joining their military is such a hardcore experience that like 20% of them pass the entrance exam the rest bite it simply making the attempt. They’ve been fighting a near constant war with an endless army of old God worshipping bugs and because one died on their doorstep they had to learn the power of zen to avoid getting eaten and now they can levitate.
Drinking gives them super powers.
If I was fighting someone and they paused to down a keg and then came at me stronger, I’d leave. He’s won the fight.
The Pandaren from the Turtle are just here because they feel like it. Fighting for these people is akin to a handshake. Farmers, merchants, tax attorneys. Practically every Pandaren is ready and willing to throw hands just because, and they genuinely want you to try and stop them because it would be funny.
But IC much like ooc they’re a bit if a joke. They’re the fun uncle that ocassionaly imparts wisdom and can do a backflip. Not a race of highly competent martial artists capable of reducing your entire ribcage to splinters with minimal effort. A serious Pandaren IC is either Shado-Pan or trying too hard. It sucks.
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It’s incredibly weird because it’s a fandom within a fandom and, to some extent, the Alliance is, too. Like, you’re desperately encouraged by the developers to embrace exactly one half of the story and violently reject the other half.
Which sounds really, really weird now that I’ve just put it down like that.
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You know what, screw it.
“But Zul…” is the new “But Camp Taurajo!” dog whistle Alliance players use.
Last I checked the Alliance did literally nothing to actually defeat Zul (and yes, I played both war campaigns) while claiming “B-b-b-but the Zandalari were mean once” while promptly throwing out the entire Zandalar storyline to back their point to bend in 50 different ways to make themselves look innocent of all charges rather then putting on their big boy pants and going “Yeah. The move was dumb and is going to ensure further issues down the line.”
The fact remains the Alliance -invaded- and had the audacity to site a group that the Zandalari had ousted in a civil war before the Alliance proceeded to attack the center of troll culture. Golly gee, Who would’ve thought this would make people in the Zandalari justifiable angry with the Alliance when they Alliance also murdered Rastakhan for the whole crime of not submitting to what most now would rightfully view as foreign tyrants using gunboat diplomacy.
I am freaking sick of all the damn excuses to go “But de’ Alliance shouldn’t suffer consequences for their actions.” and have frankly reached the point that unless those groups in the Alliance are the Kaldorei, Draenei, Worgen, Dwarves or Gnomes, I really do not want to hear it.
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I’m not blaming Zul.
I’m blaming Rastakhan.
Man had his head in the clouds so much that the Catacylsm barely shook him out of his stupor. That the fact an entire portion of his “empire” had gone over to Blood Worship barely caused him to bat an eye.
Zul was a symptom of Rastakhan’s inept leadership. It was Rastakhan’s failings that lead to the Alliance invading, the fact he was too busy looking at the lint in his navel to open his eyes to the dangerous factions that had carved up the Zandalari Empire like a roast.
You want to be mad at someone for the plight of the Zandalari? Look no further than the loot pinata that was your former racial leader. Then thank the Loa that Tanaji is now in charge and she actually can see past her own tusks.
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Well speaking from MY character’s viewpoint…
Tam’s heard of the Burning Legion and how dangerous they are, but when she sees an imp kind of just sitting there at the Tail or a felhound following its warlock owner around on the street, she doesn’t see a member of the Burning Legion. She just sees some warlock’s demon companion. She can’t tell the allegiances of any individual based solely on their race- and assuming such in the past has gotten her in a lot of trouble. Especially in a place as diverse/cosmopolitan as Orgriimmar. Friends can look like enemies and enemies can look like friends.
So she doesn’t generally pay them any special mind.
And that’s if she can recognize who is/isn’t a demon. She hasn’t exactly poured over books in order to be able to identify all the countless forms they can take. Illidari honestly look more like a demon than say, a Shadowfiend (elemental?), Felhunter (bug dog?) or Felguard (big blue muscular dude?) does. And she hears they can shapeshift too, which makes things even more impossible to keep track of.
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I think it’s worth remembering that each expansion lasts a single year, so Cata was a little more than a single US presidential term ago. Look at how long it takes for different peoples who look almost identical to get along irl.
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I know all the OoC reasons how Blizzard has turned my Horde into a joke. I do. I stopped arguing against Alli a long time ago about the direction the devs have taken my people. Trust me, no one hates it more than me.
But for the purposes of my RP and my characters, frankly- it doesn’t matter to me. I don’t play a Horde leader or a diplomat. I don’t play someone who goes to debates on the moralism of the Horde (well actually, I do- but not to be convinced of anything.) I play him as someone aware of the grand scheme of things but they do not matter to him.
I play a common soldier who has had everything he ever loved taken from him, and in every circumstance, they were taken from him directly by Alliance action. He doesn’t care about who deserves what or who started when or blah blah blah. He cares about the people he loved who were stolen from him, and because of that, he will -never- forgive. He -cannot- forgive.
Someone could sit him down and give him a lecture on the bigger picture, sure. And I am sure part of him understands it on many levels. He isn’t stupid. But what I am saying is, to him:
It doesn’t matter. The Alli took everything, and he will either spend his remaining days repaying the favor or die trying.
That’s the only way I can justify his RP from an OoC standpoint. It doesn’t mean I as a player don’t “get it.” Trust me- I do. But as a character, on a very basic and individual level, what I am saying is none of that matters anymore. He needs the hate to exist.
It is all he has left, and giving that up would be giving up the memories of the people he lost. Maybe the difference is I don’t play him as a hero, but as a tragedy.
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See, that is not how this works.
Rastakhan’s failings did cause the civil war and yes, you can argue did lead to the Alliance attack.
The Alliance still chose to attack and I highly doubt SI:7 is so inept they would not have the details of what had occurred. There is no argument that can be made which holds water for “The Zandalari shouldn’t be royally furious with the Alliance.” since it revolves around forgiveness when the Alliance has done nothing to actually earn that forgiveness. The only reason the Sindorei have a case for that was because the Draenei repaired the Sunwell, then Jaina kindly yeeted that out a window for you with Dalaran.
The humans have done a lot to earn forgiveness from the Orcs and Tauren (and arguable the Darkspear). They’ve done nothing to earn forgiveness from other races and it -should- be acknowledged rather than desperately trying to brush it under the rug. It’s one reason a lot of people were so displeased with how Blizz wrote 8.2 from the Horde side of things.
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All I will say (Because as fun as it is to argue the minutia of the narrative, ultimately it does break down because said narrative has a LOT of problems with it) is Jaina gets a lot of flak for something we need to lay at the feet of another Windrunner. It was Vareesa (Who, in all fairness, was grieving the loss of her Husband at the time) and the Silver Covenant who were principally responsible for the massacre of the Sunreavers.
And, thanks to Blizzard’s nonsense in regards to what does and doesn’t constitute allied races, the Silver Covenant remains outside the traditional Alliance umbrella.
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…Med’ang it!
Except for the fact that they brought the war on themselves by loudly proclaiming “we’re not part of the Horde” while using their port to assemble literal armies to attack Darkshore and Arathi, as well as launching incursions into Kul Tiras.
Attacking Zandalar was literally the most sensible tactical move the Alliance could have made - as it was directly inhibiting their war effort and aiding the Horde far more than a “non-aligned” power should. Eliminating the main hostile port of the Horde, de facto if not de jure, was a good idea… and simply a part of war.
Furthermore Rastakhan actively supported the idea of a unified Troll Empire. This is mentioned throughout the BFA questing experience. Talanji’s unique because she sees things differently. But the Cataclysm stuff… it can be reasoned than Rastakhan at least tacitly condoned all of that, and can’t claim to be distanced entirely from it. Doing nothing can be tantamount to approval.
I’d say the same thing about the Alliance refusing to address or condemn Garithos (the Dwarves even sent aid to the guy) but that’s a whole other can of worms
Edit: All this said though - is it unreasonable to be mad? No, you can be mad even if the other side can claim a certain “justice” because a lot of innocent lives are still lost. Like, ICly one does not have their home attacked and cast into disarray, and respond with simply “yeah, fair enough”. Of course it makes sense to be angry IC. Almost about any atrocity. Hell Taurajo’s become a meme, but if I was a Tauren in that world and had friends of family there… I’d be pissed.
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Too many uwu’s for youwus?
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