Please elaborate on the bolded, I am very curious as to what you mean by that.
I met more serious Vulpera than I did joke/meme/obviously making fun of furry stereotypes in Orgrimmar and basically everywhere else, but because there’s that occasional idiot running around going “uwu” and “yiff” to troll on purpose suddenly the whole Vulpera playerbase isn’t “doing it right” or “aren’t welcome in the Horde”.
It’s frustrating and is one of the reasons I couldn’t stick around the Horde. I just haven’t been able to enjoy the red side for awhile, but literally getting spit on while AFK and getting nasty whispers (yeah, that actually happened, which shocked me) for literally no reason other than playing a character I liked was mind boggling and killed what little drive I did have to hang out on red side.
More power to folks who can actually stick around for that, because it sure as hell didn’t give me any more reason to stay.
Also, on the actual topic of Common IC viewpoints I don’t get, I actually don’t understand why a DK or a DH would be hanging out at a bar unless they’re actively trying to insert themselves back into society. These are both types of beings that literally thrive off of the pain and death of other creatures (Death Knights with pain, Demon Hunters for demon flesh and fel) so I could only imagine this character in a constant state of suffering unless they go out with the lads to beat something to death or kill some demons.
Of course, you could just throw the lore out the window and not incorporate it, which is fine as most of Blizzard’s lore is stupid anyways when it comes to stuff like this. I just personally don’t get the appeal of making a DH/DK and disregarding stuff like that.
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I must admit I feel it doesn’t make much sense without an angle. Like in most societies, DKs are usually at least to some extent social outcasts. I will say as a Forsaken DK it feels different because EVERYONE is undead, you’re just one of the crowd. But then, typically Forsaken can’t really drink, so they don’t fit in fully in bars without a reason to be there.
All that said I quite enjoy tavern RP when there’s a reason for it. I don’t really tavern RP at all on Sarestha anymore - there’s no reason to and I’m pretty busy with guild-related RP anyway. But in Legion and BFA I had a great deal of fun RPing Sarestha in taverns with the angle of “Self-Proclaimed Propagandist” in a funny way.
Sarestha used to view Sylvanas Windrunner as a messianic figure - a hero and saviour of the Forsaken people - a visionary who was the only person to realise the undead could be more than mindless Scourge, that they could be people. When Sylvanas became Warchief there were a lot of RPers who were understandably nervous of the development. So what’d Sarestha do? She took it upon herself to eavesdrop in taverns and insert herself into conversations about the banshee queen. Upon doing so, she would attempt to convince everyone how Sylvanas would be the best Warchief the Horde has ever seen, and how she definitely wouldn’t be another Garrosh. She genuinely believed it too. But I had a lot of really cool conversations there. Even convinced a few people that Sylvanas was awesome. (oops with hindsight).
Anyway Sarestha’s no longer a Sylvanas supporter for obvious reasons - she denounced her earlyish into BFA. But my point is that with the right society and angle - I found RPing a DK in the tavern to make sense, situationally. In part because the Forsaken and DKs have similar struggles, thus making Sarestha and others like her feel less like social outcasts among their own kind than say, a Tauren DK might. But also in part because there was a good reason to be there.
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I guess what I mean by that is, I want to know how the vulpera community is over all and if theres a struggle between vulpera who behave like how we knew them in Voldun, or if theres a problem with a lot of vulpera ignoring the culture and if theres way too much memeing that might be overshadowing the passionate characters. I also notice a lot of the vulpera I meet just act like goblins.
I hope it doesn’t come off as me thinking this is what its like all the time, I would never judge a whole by a few of course. I just want to hear from people in the vulpera community and want to know if a lot of this is just , these happen to be the people who spend more time in public and that makes them louder? Or if you, yourself, are often frustrated by a lot of the misinterpretations you feel may be happening.
(also sorry if the way I explain or ask things sounds weird. Sometimes I feel like what I want to say and think is like a motorcycle that speeds out from under me way too quickly, whily my body barely gets a chance to get on it. Brain and explaining and typing tend to get a little wonky out of sync sometimes.)
Yeah definitely can see that there. And can confirm without a doubt, and its wild, with the whole nasty whisper thing. A friend of mine gets nasty whispers for literally no reason at all on his vulpera , as well as my best friend who doesnt really play his , and still got some nastiness put toward him. It’s honestly really stupid…and the whole thinking something is Cringe just because its a little fox has to stop.
Very sorry that happened to you, Wolf.
And I agree witht he DK and DH thing. I’ve met some pretty cool characters who struggled being in public, but where there because they had to be.
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So then, what is your ideal Vulpera? Remember, the Vulpera of Vol’dun aren’t the only Vulpera out there.
Vulpera are nomadic survivors, scavengers, and some even follow the life of a pirate. There are many different ways one could play a Vulpera, most of which are easy to differentiate from the memers.
I’m not very experienced in Goblin RP, if I’m honest, but from the ones I have encountered I don’t think them and the Vulpera are completely different to one another.
A Vulpera wanting to tinker makes sense; they’ve joined the Horde whom has countless resources able to craft an Engineer’s wildest dreams… something I imagine our desert foxes didn’t exactly have the same luxury of.
A Vulpera having some greed makes sense, they steal supplies from other people (even have a /silly in regards to that) all the time back home.
I personally don’t think Vulperan RPers are any worse than any other group. I’ve met more questionable Blood Elves and Goblins than I have Vulpera, but experiences will vary from person to person.
You’re fine. I’m genuinely curious about this sort of thing, as my main RP character is a Vulpera.
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Blizzard really didn’t give players a whole lot to work with when it came to Vulpera culture either. We know they travel in covered carts, where they eke out an existence as scavengers/traders. But there’s pretty much nothing regarding their history, religion, traditions and we don’t get a particularly good cross section of their society.
Also, the races’ central conflict involves surviving in Vol’dun and dealing with Sethrak- but they lagely cease to be a problem once your Vulpera character’s made it out of Vol’dun.
So there’s just little there to use as a springboard for RP. Which is why I think characterization tends to feel all over the place.
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Ugh. I hope what happened to Blood Elves doesn’t happen to Vulpera. People shouldn’t feel compelled to act grim, bloodthirsty or any other way they don’t want just because Chad’gar Whiteclaw doesn’t like furries.
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I feel like I’m in the minority where I actually like how fresh and new the Vulpera are? I don’t have to read up on pages and pages of lore to make a character.
That also makes them very welcoming for new RPers and players who aren’t familiar with the years of lore behind the game and I love that.
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In Horde culture, being seen in public without a necklace of freshly severed elf ears is considered gauche.
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I think that’s great, personally. There’s a lot of ground to be covered for the Vulpera and they don’t have a lot of baggage…
…probably because we burned their caravans and all their possessions, but oh well.
I don’t even know how I’d deal with seeing Elf-hate in this day and age. It feels so quaint and old-fashioned.
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Is that canon? I thought the Alliance raised enough of a stink about it to get that removed / retconned. Don’t quote me on that though…
I think one reason why it seems like you’re in the minority is that a lot of people would be afraid of establishing their character and then Blizzard actually laying down some defining backstory for Vulpera that’s directly contradictory. I could be mistaken, but it seems like a logical train of thought.
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Forgive me, I meant “we” as in the Rogues Social Club. Occasionally we all get together, start drinking and someone says “hey, what if we just start setting stuff on fire?”
And well, it’s a party, so.
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That does make sense, I can completely understand that. They’ve retconned and changed a lot.
…Which is why I’m glad I don’t really care about the lore anymore.
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Yes and no.
The NPCs still burn down the caravans and the Vulpera, but in response to the outcry they added an NPC saying they just wanted to burn the supplies not hurt the Vulpera to whitewash the whole thing. They also renamed the Purge Squad NPCs.
8.1 was a mess.
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This is why I advocate for Blizz to use retconns like removing Varian building a road to Org to provoke Garrosh and the Vol’dun thing as Alliance blocking news so when we get their factions internal conflict, we can use things that happened while rather easily adding an layer of alarm to practices that actually occur in the world.
My main hang up with lore is that things changed in WoD.
There were always retcons and the like, but in WoD, they shifted away from all semblance of world building in favor of story telling through a handful of NPCs.
In my opinion, this is a big part of why BfA failed.
People complain about Cataclysm, but if you go to any zone, you’ll generally find one NPC giving you their opinion about why they do what they do. I still meet people whose characters were inspired by some random minor quest givers from Cataclysm.
Wrath had characters like this too, and even BC and Vanilla.
High Executioner Anselm is still a fan favorite for this line:
I’ve been in the military my whole life. I’ve fought in many wars, under many banners - but they’ve always been other people’s battles.
Not this time. Every Forsaken soldier you see here has come for one reason alone. Arthas must be killed.
BfA tried to tell a wide ranging war through only 5-6 NPCs, maybe less.
That, and it also tried to pull a surprise villain twist after opening with the “surprise” villain committing genocide because an elf made her mad. Devs lied repeatedly in interviews trying to convince us that she wasn’t a villain, I guess forgetting that most of us played MoP?
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I’m a dumb history nerd so I love the races with extensive lore backstories that I can read up on, and figure out my character’s place in.
But I totally get the appeal of a fresh race with no real restrictions on backstory. Personally doesn’t interest me to play a vulpera, but like… I don’t get why people hate them? They’re our cool new allies who’ve done nothing but aid the Horde so… good on them! The Vulpera are cool dudes.
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