Closing the Cosmic Power Arc. Properly

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If Blizzard wants to move on from the escalating cosmic power arc, there’s only one reasonable way to end it all:

Elune

Yes, I know. Such a new idea. Look at my character, I’m so biased. blah, blah, blah. But. It’s the right way to close the loop and move on. Please hear me out.

If Blizzard wants to ‘soft reset’ the lore, then:

Xal’atath tries to corrupt/become Azeroth.
Iridikron breaks the Titan world engines.
Most of the titans must sacrifice themselves to stop the corruption.

Xal succeeds anyway.

The Twist

Eonar was never a Titan. She is the other half of Elune.
Titans did some nonsense 25,000 years ago. They messed with Elune just like they did with the Shadowlands and the Earthen, memory/identity alteration included.

The Titans are now truly gone. The 2 halves of Elune can reunite as a gestalt goddess and stop Xal’atath in The Last Titan final raid cinematic.

Shadowlands’ garbage lore is resolved.
Elunaria mystery solved.
Elune is back to the deity She always was.
We finally get to see Her. [EDIT: See her. Once. Not meet her and end all mystery.]
Perfect ending that goes back to the beginning. No new cosmic threat.

We return to exploring a changing Azeroth. Oh! And the Raid tie-in:

During our final fight with Xal’atath, the last Titan seal on Elune’s power is released - The Tear of Elune. Xal’s own power shatters it. Clean transition into the final cinematic. The Tear never made sense as a Titan artifact. Now it does. The connection to the Naaru/Light’s Heart now makes sense as well.

I have so many other ideas, but I’d love to hear people’s thoughts. Sargeras, Denathrius, devourers - how do they fit in? Did I miss something huge? Why does this not work for you as an end to the cosmic power story arc?

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YEAH No thats pure awfull

By made even worse argublye yes

THATS NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL

And for closing the cosmic forces arc or whatever

JUST STOP WRITING COSMIC POWER RANGER STUFF

Its that simple

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Thank you for the feedback! I promise I’m not trying to ‘write cosmic power ranger stuff.’

This canon lore is so broken and contradictory. My goal is to see it resolved.

Elune has already spoken through Tyrande, so it’s no longer a question of IF she exists, just what she is. Eonar doesn’t make sense as a disobedient Life-focused entity that somehow serves Order. And she is intimately connected to Elune. I am theorizing how we might resolve that.

If we just full-stop everything cosmic without some sort of explanation for things like this, then moving on feels wrong to me. But I understand if you are ready to just move on. I’ve been frustrated for years too!

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I adore Elune; she was one of the main reasons I started loving the lore, but there is one thing around her that always made her better: The mystery. ALL pantheon level gods should remain background figures, part of the subtle world-building. If anyone is to appear in TLT and help us in Elune’s name, it should be her son, her champions, and Wild Gods.

At this point, Elune’s lore is a total mess after Legion-DF era. Maybe they’ll somehow manage to salvage it in a year and a half, but I doubt it. I haven’t trusted the writers since the Sunwell raid. And things aren’t exactly moving in a better direction; we have nothing about her in Harandar. Even the Emerald Dream didn’t tell us anything. I don’t think they’ll fix it in TLT—unless they dedicate entire patch to sorting it out… which I doubt.

I honestly hope Elune and her brother get more attention after the Saga.

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We’ve reached the point where Titans, Void, Elune, the Worldsoul, and every cosmic power connected to Azeroth could be in play.
Honestly, I have no clue how Blizz lands this anymore—and that’s both exciting and terrifying. :joy:

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If believe that i got a bridge to sell you

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Which would make evrythign worse anyway,

there is thign called overexplainign

liek we dont NEED to meet elune in person at all

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I like your theroy alot!! I have always been sus of eonar cant put my finger on it lol.
Reading through this i was thinking . My theory is for the bronze/infinite dragon flights to help trap the titans in their own time loop while we escape. The result of that would be us weakening the titans for the fight possi ly and then the epic cinematic of lore heros vs the titans distracting them while we escape and most of the lore heros would probly die but imagine illidab,sylvanas, the aspects ,iridikron even.

BUT YOU got me thinkibg what i would love a scenario where during our battle with the titans when eonar gets downed.. the wrath of elune shows up! We dont need to see her even… a voice line… and the biggest moon beam weve ever seen to tko the titans at the expence of the heros to of course…

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I LOVE the respect for Elune! And since this sentiment has been repeated by multiple people so quickly, let me clarify:

I would never want Elune to permanently manifest and stay among us. I was thinking of a single instance of necessary divine intervention to stop Xal’atath. And then Elune fades into starlight. She doesn’t stay for tea.

I absolutely would be satisfied if simply her power manifested. But I thought it would be such a powerful emotional moment if Elune defeated Xal’atath with grace instead of laser beams. Like a touch on the cheek or a hug. Silver flash. Stardust.

Thank you both for your thoughts!

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If there was ever a moment for Elune to get involved, it’d probably be this one.

Between her connection to Azeroth and even the old tauren myth about her and her brother fighting a great darkness, there are enough breadcrumbs that it wouldn’t feel out of nowhere… while still leaving Blizzard plenty of room to surprise us, assuming there’s any truth to those legends. :sweat_smile:

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I love this take, Ozryel. I agree that the timing would be ideal. But the Tauren lore reference is great!

So if Mu’sha is Elune, and the Earth Mother is Azeroth, then maybe there’s a better option than Eonar for Ansh’e. Isn’t there supposedly a Light being above even the Naaru?

Either way, I love this implication: The Night Elves got some things right. The Tauren got some things right. But ultimately no religion got everything right. The one thing thing we do get, as players, is the validation that Azeroth’s worldsoul was part of the Creator being all along.

We still don’t have all the answers. But we know our efforts have provided a course correction for the universe. And that’s awesome. Thank you!

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Iridikron and Xal’atath sowing chaos underground could mark the beginning of the return of the Eyes of the Earth-Mother. I believe the conspicuous absence of Elune and An’she was caused by Titan machines. If they were destroyed or damaged, it would weaken the Titans’ grip on Azeroth, but at the same time, it would other powerful forces from access Azeroth. I don’t believe Elune and An’she were imprisoned by the Titans; rather, they simply had severely limited access to Azeroth.

Personally, I suspect that Eonar is a Titan who has been taken over by the forces of Life; that’s why she has such a strong connection to Elune. I wrote about this in more detail here.

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She’s suss because she’s a bit of a “renegade” when it comes to the Titans. She tends to do things that supports Azeroth, or life on Azeroth, outside of the Titan ‘Manifest Destiny’ decree of ordering Azeroth.

She planted Elun’Ahir in an attempt to filter out Old-God corruption until grumpy grandpa Aman’thul discovered it and tore it out.

I don’t think she’s the extra half of Elune or anything like that; since, as others have said, keeping Elune kinda mystified is the only saving grace you can give her; since IF NOT, she’s the Goddess of sitting on her butt and doing absolutely nothing whatsoever.

In the several thousand years we’ve even been able to play through (since there are quests where we go back to the War of the Ancients), the most she’s ever done is turn one adorable green dragon we all lub into a constellation, grant Tyrande ‘Night Warrior’ powers just long enough for her to ALMOST finally stick the blow on Sylv, just for the power to be immediately revoked for… Raisins. And compelled the burning victims on Teldrassil to sleep so they wouldn’t feel pain as they were burned alive.

That is an absolutely worthless AND fickle Goddess. Every instance of her actually intervening in Azeroth life is so minute and minuscule; why would you want more exposure on the fact she’s the worst Goddess to ever Goddess? As I said in another thread; you’re better off worshipping ANY Loa that exists over Elune, since Elune clearly doesn’t care whatsoever about your character or their struggles, and barely even exists. If it weren’t for literally watching Ysera get turned into a constellation; I’d honestly think Elune was just some Kaldorei myth; completely made-up since she’s done almost literally nothing since her inception.

Seriously, I do feel for you Kaldorei players - but she ABSOLUTELY sucks, and I have no idea why a society like the Night Elves would continue to worship such a vain, stand-offish, AFK Goddess like Elune. She’s worthless.

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Together, both your posts describe the catharsis I’m looking for in the final chapter of all this.

You’re right, Nightprophet. Eonar being ‘infected’ with Life is very compelling. And still creates motivation for the Titans to be in conflict with Elune.

But I am most interested in finding an explanation for Elune’s downgrade in power and influence, as Kaldryss pointed out.

We can argue all day about whether or it’s a better story if the gods don’t matter. There is certainly great value in a story that ends with the players as champions of their own destiny.

But I personally want the emotional payoff of knowing that Elune didn’t minimize her involvement do to apathy. It would be nice to know, as Nightprophet said, that she was severely limited in her ability to help. The Eonar/Elune ‘ power split’ and Titan manipulation was my attempt to resolve that.

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I went down an Elune rabbit hole a while back and somehow came out with more questions than answers. :joy:

Between Mu’sha, Elunaria, Xal’atath calling Elune an “upstart goddess,” and Blizzard constantly teasing a connection with the naaru… it feels like they’ve been leaving breadcrumbs for years.

Then my brain got stuck on the Blood Moon… and even how Xal’atath’s new look almost feels like a dark mirror of Elune’s High Priestesses, almost echoing the eclipse imagery from the Night Warrior ritual. Are those actual hints, or am I just wearing the tinfoil helm at this point? :nerd_face: :rofl:

Either Blizzard has been cooking something for years… or they’ve accidentally created the greatest conspiracy board in Warcraft lore. :sweat_smile:

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They don’t need to have everything answered and resolved with a neat little bow on it. This always goes poorly. ALWAYS.

Mysteries of Azeroth (RIP twow) is what makes the lore compelling. Exploring the afterlife never should have happened, and answering cosmic questions is doomed to be disappointing because we can’t actually fathom that.

Let Elune remain distant, with her influence coming from avatars like Tyrande at best. I liked Elune, I liked her connection the Night Elves. I don’t like the bizarre shadowlands lore where she let her favoured people be literally burnt to death because her sister was hungry for souls or whatever and all those souls went to wow hell to be tortured forever and Elune is like “oh shucks”

Like I’d rather never have heard from her than have her be canonically a f’n idiot.

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I consider that to be a very big if. All signs are that they want to hitch their wagon to this star and ride it as far as they can.

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This is pure awful slop and peak current Blizzard writing.

Let Elune be her own seperate entity like she’s been for the past 20+ years.

Better yet, never EVER reveal Elune to be anything other than an esoteric god. Elune is better off retaining the mystique and mysteriousness that she currently has and any attempts to explain who/what she is will only ruin her as an entity within the Warcraft universe.

It’s similar to how they ruined the War of the Ancients when they released the trilogy all those years ago.

Please keep this fanfiction tier crap away from an already cratering franchise.

No.

Blizzard just needs to stop writing cosmic tier threats, but they’re not going to do that and instead they’ll continue to escalate.

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I completely agree with both of you. If I could turn back the clock, I would have left Elune as a true deity. But Blizzard changed that. They made Elune into a death-robot’s sister and tied her exclusively to the life-death cycle. And then Elune spoke to us.

I can’t undo that! Even if the Shadowlands is a farce, it still happened.

Why do you think I described this as a way to close the cosmic power arc? If my ideas read like fan-fiction, then I apologize. I want to work with the existing lore ‘slop’. But if I erase and write over it, then I’m just retconning.

Would you prefer we just retcon the retcon? How far do we take it?

snaps fingers - Elune is a deity again. So then, she allowed the Burning of Teldrassil. But she still shielded Tyrande during the War of the Ancients. So, she did intervene. But then not this other time. So “Elune works in mysterious ways?” Is that enough for you?

I don’t want to leave the lore in shambles. I am asking for closure, not a mathematical proof of everything.

If it all started when Elune was fractured, and ends when she is restored, that is elegant and simple. I adore the fierce desire to protect her mystery and identity.

But Blizzard already made this mess.

We need to restore, not ignore. Tell me a better way to restore her dignity. I want it just as much as you do. Was Elune just playing a role in Shadowlands? Was the Adenweald theater a hint? Was it just a test of faith for Tyrande? A test of faith for us?

Or are you engaging in shoulda-woulda-coulda? Cause I clearly stated that I’m trying to close the arc of the existing story, not lament what could have been. I’d rather not have two different conversations, but if it’s about Elune, it’s ok. :wink:

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Keep in mind we don’t know the actual reasons why Aman’thul pulled out Elun’ahir, let alone if he actually did. The in game book that came from literally says that the stuff in it cannot be trusted to be 100% accurate.

“As is common with ancient myths, details of this tale are oft disputed.”

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Legend_of_Elun%27Ahir

For all we know it was a net positive he did considering the “terrible future” we see in the time rifts where “The Titans” won. Even though said future is littered with feral life and the time rift boss was Freya.