Class/Race Combos That Should Not Happen

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

@Nicodemùs-stormrage

And what stops Blizzard from making it “a thing”? They create the story/lore. They can make up any BS they want.

By following one of the rules of making a good story, creating the rules of the universe and following those rules.

@Cur-proudmoore

This is something I see a lot, but it isn’t something that is particularly stressed. It is also counter to things we see in game like shadow form, void form, apotheosis, and spirit of redemption. It is not a huge leap for Blizzard to shift this barely mentioned marginally cannon lore since paladins really started off as literally priests in plate lorewise anyway.

The first Canon paladin, Uther had the very same ritual… they are all imbued with light powers in some way or form.

@Nicodemùs-stormrage

But I recognize that the Paladin class is coming to Void Elves… someday.

Blizzard is not good at keeping their word, I think you should recognize that too.

@Nicodemùs-stormrage

instead of making futile arguments

Asking the story writer to remain within the rules of his own universe is not futile.

@Nicodemùs-stormrage

I am trying to encourage them to NOT go the lazy route and just enable Paladins on Void Elves without any explanation and have them appear to be Light wielding Paladins at that.

Problem with this thought process is that it is already explained what light does you them through alleria’s abd turalyon’s story. Just inabiling paladins goes against Said story.

@Nicodemùs-stormrage

If we can believe anything, it’s the words of Garrosh: “Times Change”.

It does, but breaking the foundations of a universe isn’t the change needed.

@Nicodemùs-stormrage

Rogue

They need to decouple void lore with rogues to make this work well. In other words they would need to retcon, something they should be avoiding. As such rogues should not be a lightforged class either.

@Nicodemùs-stormrage

Accept that.

No.

Learn some respect.

@Anorave-moon-guard

These two would also be fine, however, I would want them both to be Void/Shadow Paladins. Basically they deal shadow damage and are all purple as oppose to being golden light and such. Might have to also change the name of some abilities.

Better yet instead of breaking a class we create a new one for the Void.

[Nicodemùs-stormrage]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

By following one of the rules of making a good story, creating the rules of the universe and following those rules.

And rules can never change? Ever?

Blizzard is not good at keeping their word, I think you should recognize that too.

If that’s what you have to tell yourself to cope…

Asking the story writer to remain within the rules of his own universe is not futile.

It is when the people who make the rules can change the rules whenever they please.

Problem with this thought process is that it is already explained what light does you them through alleria’s abd turalyon’s story. Just inabiling paladins goes against Said story.

Until Blizz makes up some BS reason why Void Elves can now be Paladins…

It does, but breaking the foundations of a universe isn’t the change needed.

I’m sure the same thing was said about cross-faction gameplay, but 9.2.5 is on the horizon so…

They need to decouple void lore with rogues to make this work well. In other words they would need to retcon, something they should be avoiding. As such rogues should not be a lightforged class either.

And yet it soon will be… Doesn’t seem like Blizz is following your train of thought.

No.

Learn some respect.

If you want to bury your head in the sand, I can’t stop you. I also don’t have to agree with you to respect you. I do think you’re being rather hard headed though, considering the writing on the wall…

Better yet instead of breaking a class we create a new one for the Void.

It’s already going to take a minimum of three years to get more classes proliferated after Rogue, Mage, and Priest. How long are people supposed to wait for this hypothetical class of yours to appear? And what if it never does?

You’re fighting a losing battle. Why? Because you aren’t just going against Void Elf Paladins. You’re going against several race/class combos that many people want to play, and that’s far too many fronts for you to fight effectively on.

[Vylken-stormrage]

Bye!

May you and the three other players who stop their subscription due to more customization find peace and happiness in whatever game you find.

[Chernobyll-malganis]

@Voidarcane-whisperwind

With the announcement that all races can be rogues, priests and mages it’s gotten me thinking what class/race combos just wouldn’t work. For me I believe every race in the game should be allowed to choose to be nearly any class but there are a few outliers which cannot exit because of lore. So here is my list and reasons why.

Draenei/Lightforged Draenei- Warlocks and Demon Hunters. Given the playable race we have access and refugee’s from the Burning Legion it shouldn’t happen (unless there is a playable Eradar allied race).

Worgen- Paladin. Being cursed I don’t believe it would make them capable of being a paladin since paladins channel the light through them.

Void Elf- Paladin. When Light meets Void there will usually be an explosive result. A Void elf trying to wield the light through them very well could trigger an explosion akin to a nuclear blast.

Orc and Mag’har Orc- Paladin. Our green skin variety likely cannot become paladins unless they are lightforged by a Naru (and probably would be a very painful process). As for the Mag’har given Yrel’s crusade of conversion to the light or genocide no Mag’har would be a paladin in their right mind and would likely be shunned by all Mag’hars.

Undead- Paladins. Paladins channel the light through them, Priests don’t. Priests when using the light and are undead have a return to there senses and feel there decaying flesh and causes pain. A Paladin would be in excruciating pain constantly as the light destroys there diseased flesh. Unless its a lightforged forsaken Undead should not be paladins.

Other than these combinations I believe that all races should be able to be all classes, including Demon Hunters.

TAUREN ROGUES

How could you leave it out of your list.
That is the longest meme we ever had and now it is gone.

[Vylken-stormrage]

It’ll be Thallia and their 9 alts.

[Evilbadguy-malganis (Evilbadguy)]

Classes with lore restrictions like Druid, Paladin, DH shouldn’t be for every race realistically, but then I stop and think about Panda Druids so I don’t care bring em all.

[Cur-proudmoore (Cur)]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

The first Canon paladin, Uther had the very same ritual… they are all imbued with light powers in some way or form.

Originally, it was knights learning priest powers, because wearing a dress in battle has drawbacks when an orc hits you with their axe. The rituals were them being inducted into the priesthood. Keep in mind this is warcraft 2 mechanics, paladin training turned all your knights to paladins.

Even in warcraft 3 there was no difference. They were a hero class but retained the lore of the conventional unit, a melee combat priest.

Almost all the hero units in warcraft 3 had a corresponding non hero unit. Far seer, shaman. Sorceress, archmage. Lich, necromancer. Druid/dryad, keeper of the grove. Priestess of the moon, archer/sentinel.

All this differentiation is because the lore being that the difference between priest and paladin was “one is actually meant for combat” is not a good fit when you want both classes to fit within the design of the MMO game. The fact they have had a shadow form from day 1 for priests, but nothing of such for paladins, but it is the paladins empowering their body or whatever should demonstrate this better than anything they have no real plan or attachment to this lore.

[Rashiko-bleeding-hollow]

@Silverleigh-drakthul

they have removed any sense of the World and its framing bearing any depth or meaning

They have, but it’s unrelated to any of your concerns. Unlocked races are fine.

[Kallixtus-wyrmrest-accord]

@Chernobyll-malganis

TAUREN ROGUES

Nah.

That’s thinking that Rogues are using traditional sneak skills to do things. They’re not. They’re literally invisible.

Cinematic: "Safe Haven"

[Maidenofbeer-proudmoore]

@Voidarcane-whisperwind

@Kothor-hyjal

It’s happening. Priest, Mage, and Rogue Classes will now be available to all Races. Meaning you’re getting your Tauren Rogue!!

Which clearly the Tauren rogues that already exist have laxed there standards as we will now be seeing more Tauren rogues visable…

but we wont see them…until its too late! Invisibull FTW!!!

[Siersha-proudmoore]

Those are logical choices.

[Sevaryn-zuljin (Sevaryn)]

Yes, this is my understanding of it as well.

They SHOULD have allowed Draenei to have a 2nd option as Broken, for Shaman. Instead, they chose NOT to go that route and have the abomination that is the Draenei Shaman who by definition are no longer Draenei, as Draenei are devoted to the Light. The Draenei in AU Draenor that rejected the Light in favor of the Burning Legion were no longer called Draenei but Sargerei.

Draenei = an Eredari follower of the Light.
Shaman = a follower and devotee of the elements/shamanism

The two are mutually exclusive.

[Sevaryn-zuljin (Sevaryn)]

I know all of this, already.

Draenei Shaman still make no sense. Broken Shaman make sense. Eredari Warlocks make sense. Sargerei Warlocks make sense.

Draenei follow the Light. Period.

[Malyx-zuljin]

Agreed. Please extend the class/race combos.

[Hernehunter-moon-guard]

@Voidarcane-whisperwind

Worgen- Paladin. Being cursed I don’t believe it would make them capable of being a paladin since paladins channel the light through them.

This would need a complex intro in lore/setting for different reasons, namely that Worgen Paladins would need to be SW based Worgen post-third war as apparently Gilneas never interacted with Lordaeron during the Paladin movement, thus why they up till now have not had Paladins.

[Dendritus-moon-guard (Dendritus)]

Class/Race Combos That Should Not Happen

They should all happen. They threw lore out the window years ago, may as well allow full on customization and have some fun with it.

Then all the paladin combos you talked about, the fact that forsaken have priest and can still play disc and holy really undoes everything you said.