Classic will fail due to layering - quote me on this in 2 months

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I’m just posting here so I can necro this thread two months from now when the OP is wrong.

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Nah just using some good 'ol hyperbole like the anti-layering crowd loves to.

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“Playing DOTA.” Read no further.

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Never expected Mogar to like a post saying Classic will fail. Looks like layering is really hammering down on people’s confidence.

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I already have CBS especially with all the All Access Only Star Trek coming. Disney is a must for Marvel, Star Wars and general movies. Beyond that I may consider Hulu, and I’ll keep Netflix probably.

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Confused to why OP made this post when he said he doesn’t plan on playing classic anyways because he likes playing other games too much. You’re a weird guy OP, weird guy.

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Imagine wanting to play an old MMORPG in 2019, with warts and all, while you have a super efficient surgeon at the ready to remove defining warts, who then diagnoses what’s left to still be “Classic”, while those who never really wanted it clap their hands off in approval.
Oh look, it’s so much prettier, and totally suits our current year so much more…no one wants an old wrinkly Classic anyway, deal with it! :pouting_woman:

…People always get tricked so easily by a little cosmetic lift like that, but what they seem to always find out later is that what’s actually left of the character is not quite the same, if you let Classic go through that plastic surgery…

Is it efficient? Sure. So efficient it’s gonna split up the worlds and put in an amount of players worth of multiple Azeroths. You give up a key characteristic part of the game, a real MMORPG, thinking you’ll make it appeal a little more to modern folk in 2019 at first glance.
Meanwhile the core audience gets a game they didn’t ask for, because they wanted warts and all… that was the whole point of Classic, wasn’t it!?

Just wait until you’re actually in. I wonder how many people who are supporting layering really have experienced and tried it out on the beta or stress tests.
If you’re gonna be new to it, get ready to have your first impression of Classic be something you not quite expected, to put it mildly.
And that first impression is one you’re only gonna have once.
Up to you if you wanna give that up just to help Blizzard not sweat buckets during launch and the time after, even if it’s at the expense of Classic and your enjoyment.

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that’s very melodramatic, but at the end of the day it’s just a game.
and that game is going to rock for me regardless of my first impressions about layering.
come for a workout and run with me tomorrow, see how terrific you feel at the end of it, and you’ll realize that insignificant things like layering are just that - insignificant.
if people have time in their day to stress about something so menial, they really need to keep busier.

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Have you played wow recently out of curiosity? If you haven’t, then let me give you a bit of information regarding laughable state of wow server stability. Wow servers completely crash when 80 people engage in world pvp currently. There’s an expected 1mil+ of players that are going to be playing classic on launch. Have you even thought about how hard its going to be day 1 to even log in to the starting zones?

Layering may completely go against the whole fundamentals of classic wow, but its a necessary evil where gonna have to put up with if anyone plans on playing it the first 2 weeks. I for one, don’t want to sit in login ques for 36 hours waiting for the troves of people to get in. I for one don’t want to deal with server outages day one. I for one don’t want to see the forums become a battleground of people who can’t log on because layering wasn’t added.

If you really hate it so damn much, then here’s a really simple solution you ready? Don’t play till its removed. Amazing I know, Seems its quite a hard concept to grasp nowadays.

Edit: Wasn’t meaning to make this a reply to you Heidene.

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Wow servers crash because of sharding. like layering, it’s an extra layer of tech they throw ontop of the server, reducing the stability of that server.

sharding is designed to push servers to their limit to balance holding as many players as possible in a single server and also pairing players together so they are accompanied by the “correct” number of other players for a proper mmo experience.

with additional realm choices instead of layers, you’re much more likely to spread queues out. you get 36 hour queues by having only 1 or a few popular realms thanks to layers letting most players play on fewer realms.

layering is not a necessary evil, there are better options. layering has the most negative aspects out of all the options.

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Define failure in this scenario. Define success in this scenario.

You need some parameters/perspective here rather than just blindly saying what you feel is correct.

If I ran a marathon but I didnt finish first am I a failure? Or is it a success because I just finished a marathon beating a personal best. Perspective.

Personal opinion here is that layering will have little to do with people playing. Your big factors are going to be real life obligations and the myriad of other good games that exist or will exist past launch. For example, when The Last of Us 2 launches, wow will have the backseat.

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Layering is only phase 1 AND it has a cool down now to prevent chest / resource farming and similar exploits.

It’s a total non-issue.

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Source please. Also, some unsubstantiated tweet from random streamer is not a valid source.

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Idk if there is a official source since blizz doesn’t post patch notes for classic beta updates. Just a bunch of streamers hoping layers on stream and then not being able to do it again immediately afterwards. Not sure how long the cool down is though.

I mean before the update my rogue didn’t lose combo points on target 1 if I mouseover kicked target 2. After the update I lose combo points. No official source on that either…and probably a million other fixes.

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The point i’m attempting to make. Is it would be wise not to make an absolute statement like yours above without any credible source of the said absolute.

That spreads misinformation we dont need that, especially right meow. Because what your reporting is a finding not an absolute. Thats a huge difference. Findings might be in Classic absolutes will be in Classic.

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Well I saw them do it on stream with my own eyes and you can go find the vids /clips if you really wanted too. So it’s real to me. But having said that I don’t know exactly how it works, other than it prevents layer spam hoping.

I didn’t notice layering at all while I leveled to 40. If i wasn’t told about it, or see streamers do it, I wouldn’t even know it existed.

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classic will fail in 2 month because people will be bored of it after 2 month. layering has nothing to do with it.

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I agree. It’s not like people have been playing vanilla private servers for the last 10 years…oh wait :wink:. Literally no one is going to play a BFA private server, ever.

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I’m not saying you did not see it. I’m claiming without any official statement from Blizzard. This is an unsubstantiated claim.

So in other words this is a beta and they are going to test and iterate on ideas and processes they think may resolve the few pitfalls of layering.

This cooldown very well may exist in beta but without any official statement from Blizzard this cooldown may or may not ever make its way into Classic. And should be treated as a finding and not an absolute until said official statement presents itself.

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Ok sure, maybe it’s still a work in progress. Maybe they are still tinkering with the cool down length and execution. Either way they are definitely toying with the idea of a cool down or at least some protection against layer hoping abuse.