Classic set to fail before it even happens?

[Eaglesgift-ravenholdt (Eaglesgift)]

And you guys always bring up 5 mans or PvP… What if people just want to raid? They should be SOL because “hey, you can always do that PvP you have no interest in.” It’s a stupid argument.

So you rolled the wrong class for what you want to do. Whose fault is that? And it can always be fixed - roll a more appropriate class.

[Melaneth-dalaran]

I’d much rather see them release TBC and WotLK, until the Blizzard of 2019 proves that it can be the Blizzard of the mid-2000s again. Do you trust the Blizzard of BFA to do Classic+? I know I don’t. Maybe if 9.0 or 10.0 shows a return to core principles, then I’d feel comfortable with Classic+, but until then? I’d rather go with what I know than risk it.

[Celessi-turalyon]

And you guys always bring up 5 mans or PvP… What if people just want to raid? They should be SOL because “hey, you can always do that PvP you have no interest in.” It’s a stupid argument.

So you rolled the wrong class for what you want to do. Whose fault is that? And it can always be fixed - roll a more appropriate class.

I’m going to say the WoW manual’s description of the classes:

The paladin is a virtuous defender of the weak and a tireless
enemy of the undead. Mixing elements of the warrior and the
priest, the paladin is a tough melee fighter with great health,
excellent protection, and very strong buffs. It also has a useful mix
of healing and defensive spells. The tradition of holy knights is
unique to the Alliance. In many ways, the paladin is the counterpart
to the Horde’s shaman, but geared towards physical battle more
than spellcasting prowess.
Allowable Races: Dwarf, Human
Primary Attributes: Strength, Stamina, Intellect, Spirit
Common Weapon Skills: One-Handed Maces, Two-Handed
Maces, Unarmed
Advanced Weapon Skills: Polearms, One-Handed Swords,
Two-Handed Swords, One-Handed Axes, Two-Handed Axes
Armor Proficiencies: Cloth, Leather, Mail, Shield, Plate
(Advanced)
Class Abilities
The paladin, like the warrior, can learn to wear all types of armor,
and has among the widest selection of weapon skills. It has a good
ability to thrive in melee combat, made even better with its unique
buffs: auras and seals.
Auras are buffs that a paladin casts on itself that also have effect on
all nearby party members. A paladin can only have one aura in
effect at a time, and two paladins with the same aura cannot stack
that aura’s effects. However, multiple paladins can each use
different auras to overlap different buffs on allies. Some auras can
heal the paladin and his allies, boost armor, and damage attackers.
A seal is another kind of buff available to the paladin. Seals are shortterm spell effects with specific benefits. Some seals increase damage
dealt, absorb physical damage, or boost damage against undead.
Only one seal at a time can be in effect on a player per paladin.
The remainder of the paladin’s spells include healing, a resurrection
spell, defensive spells, and spells specifically designed to attack

Yet, Paladins are only their most effective as a healer… You understanding why hybrid class players had such big issues with how vanilla played out?

[Arrowblight-jubeithos (Arrowblight)]

You would have to wonder how the devs feel about people being more excited over a 15 year old version of WoW than the current version. One of my friends last year(who started in WotLK, have unsubbed shorty after i did as well as the rest of the guild) said “he had no interest in playing classic” and yet after him looking up stuff about classic said “he would prefer that version of WoW and plans on playing it” i was left surprised and speechless.

A lot of people are just sick of AP gear / grinds, WQ’s, classes are crap, CRZ, WM, sharding, rep locked races etc i could go on about this. This is what happens when companies costs cut and try and increase MAUs over player enjoyment. These systems are made to slow you down, cut costs on servers and at the same time has ripped out what the game was about, “community” No wonder why the game is in a very sorry state. While all these systems are in place i will never touch retail again.

The merger with asstivision was the biggest mistake any company could have made, they have killed the “gamers making games for gamers” which is why we’re in this spot now, wanting a 15year old version of WoW just to please our hobby addiction.

[Altrageous-wyrmrest-accord]

Yes but every spec should be able to fill their selected roles

There are no specs in vanilla, just customized talent builds.

If it’s ment to be a role playing game, then every spec needs to be playable in the selected role.

what is this I don’t even…

[Yogsothòth-tichondrius]

There’s nothing of value that comes out of time invested into playing MMO’s anyway, it’s pure time killer.

[Havok-bleeding-hollow]

Here we go with the entitled generation getting butt hurt over everything. I clearly stated that classic servers won’t get touched they can keep their same boring content for 100 more years for all I care. They clearly don’t want changes and that’s fine!!! You’re classic servers WONT be touched!

I don’t say “don’t post here” because I don’t want to hear from them. It’s because they got the game they want why would what happens on a different server have any effect on them?

It’s funny it’s just as toxic here as it is on reddit. Yet people on these forums act all high and mighty like they are better than reddit.

I ask a simple question to get peoples ideas and go back and look through all the posts, it’s like people just read the title and ignored everything else and just went full on toxic mode.

So just like reddit this place is " IT’S NOT WHAT I WANT SO NO ONE CAN HAVE IT."

Even though I think its fine you get to keep classic just how u want it on your server, at least I don’t go around crying I want classic plus and you will give it to me the way I want it and those who don’t want classic plus sorry you don’t get it.

[Bepples-barthilas]

What exactly is OP’s argument? That Classic will fail because it won’t have more content than the real classic had?

You get to fix all the things that were wrong with your first try.

Historically this is how the game turned into something millions no longer enjoyed.

Each expansion has been a bunch of “fixes” to the game along with changes for the sake of changes and “fun”. BfA is the result of 15 years of that.

This is nonsense. As per usual, classic fanboys are trying to hijack anger over BFA-specific features (or, in some cases, things introduced in Legion that carried over) and directing it to any and every change made since classic ended. It’s dishonest. Believe it or not, people enjoy things like flying and PvE difficulty settings. There are plenty things about BFA to hate such as layers of RNG on gear and pruned classes, but that doesn’t mean literally every approach of modern WoW is wrong like you people try to pretend.

[Bepples-barthilas]

These systems are made to slow you down

Classic WoW is filled to the brim with mechanics and grind specifically designed to slow you down, but when classic does it it’s “world building”, “challenge” and “a journey to be completed and appreciated” while when modern WoW does it (to a much smaller degree in most cases) it’s “time-padding” and “money-grabbing” and merely a means to keep you subscribed.

[Zel-firetree]

Agreed - however, couldn’t they just do expansions without changing the game systems every single time?

I think (hope) that’s what the OP is asking for with a Classic+.

[Yongrii-barthilas]

I think Blizzard carefully wants to “see what happens”. Yes they know that there is a loyal following of original Vanilla players, but the big unknown is how many people it will draw from retail as well as completely new players.

No doubt there will be an initial surge before the numbers stabilise a bit - yet no-one at this point knows what that number will be.

Activision-Blizzard (and its shareholders) aren’t dumb though - if they see Classic as a success with maintenance of decent player numbers then they would be shooting themselves in the foot to simply let it rest in peace once all 6 phases have been rolled out.

[Starz-boulderfist]

I’d personally rather just go to tbc instead of classic +

[anon44004560]

The only future of Classic I’m worried about right now is about 38 days and 20 hours in the future.

[Ludadots-kelthuzad]

If classic rolls into TBC I will be the happiest man in Outland.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Whether go to BC/Wrath later on or develop new content classic I think most people just want to make sure that original classic servers remain untouched.

[Daemonbane-blackwater-raiders]

Now I know we can’t tell if classic will be as great as some think but isn’t now the time for the dev’s to create a post asking us what we would like to see for the future of classic +.

Well, unless they have new ppl, they don’t GIVE a crap what we want. They are creating/re-creating a game and we’ll like it or gtfo!

Which is really STUPID, but that’s the “Business dude” M.O. apparently. Apparently they’ve never heard about “customer service” or “the customer is always right” (which, granted is a tad… unrealistic, still…)

Mainly, I don’t care too much so long as they do not screw up the appearance too much. When every area I love got screwed up, appearance wise - burned/rended… w/e also mob changes… while somewhat realistic… sh*t changes… I did not like what they did. It’s ok in SW now, but really looking fwd to some time in the park. Etc…

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

I ask a simple question to get peoples ideas and go back and look through all the posts, it’s like people just read the title and ignored everything else and just went full on toxic mode.

Not only does your title predispose people to thinking you’re a fool, but then you follow it up with statements like:

So by not having a future outlook for what will happen with classic after a few years doesn’t this set the game up for failure right away?

It’s human nature to know if something is gonna have a future then its worth investing into, if it doesn’t then why bother.

If you weren’t trying to troll those who want Classic to remain as is, you really did a bad job of it.

Almost like your post was set up to piss people off.

[Havok-bleeding-hollow]

Yea that’s the funny part a few posts above people just immediately assume I want bfa crap content for expansions.

In fact I want to play classic as is for a year or 2, then I want new content but without changing the core of classic. Take all the things that make people want classic and put that into the expansions. Don’t just start making giant overhauls to content.

You don’t need to add new levels to expansions, or even upgrades that are significant. Perhaps the expansion just adds some new raid gear that doesn’t raise any caps just has a few extra stats for specs like shadow priest where they get 10% more mana regen so they can compete in future expansions.

Don’t just overhaul classes everytime like they did with past expansions.

[Celessi-turalyon]

You would have to wonder how the devs feel about people being more excited over a 15 year old version of WoW than the current version. One of my friends last year(who started in WotLK, have unsubbed shorty after i did as well as the rest of the guild) said “he had no interest in playing classic” and yet after him looking up stuff about classic said “he would prefer that version of WoW and plans on playing it” i was left surprised and speechless.

A lot of people are just sick of AP gear / grinds, WQ’s, classes are crap, CRZ, WM, sharding, rep locked races etc i could go on about this. This is what happens when companies costs cut and try and increase MAUs over player enjoyment. These systems are made to slow you down, cut costs on servers and at the same time has ripped out what the game was about, “community” No wonder why the game is in a very sorry state. While all these systems are in place i will never touch retail again.

The merger with asstivision was the biggest mistake any company could have made, they have killed the “gamers making games for gamers” which is why we’re in this spot now, wanting a 15year old version of WoW just to please our hobby addiction.

1. They’re not stupid. Retail is still the most successful MMORPG alive. They’re creating layering and a low server count because they know that the 15 year old game is going to be a fad. Most people are going to come for their nostalgia fix and then quit.

2. If you can’t handle the grinds, things locked behind rep, you’re not going to last in Classic. Level 60 is a gear, HK, and rep grind. And I know, you like the journey, well the journey is going to end. You can’t actually do the content in the game and stay below 60 forever. You’re going to hit the level cap, and then the grind is what you have to look forward to.

3. Blizzard is still making games for gamers. YOU are not the only gamer. More people than in any single other MMORPG are enjoying BfA. Your reason for wanting classic isn’t my reason for wanting classic, and I’ll be playing both.

[Havok-bleeding-hollow]

A refreshing and valid response, thank you.