Classic Oceanic Servers

[Skrull-frostmourne (Skrull)]

A confirmation on this topic would very much be appreciated.

[Severred-barthilas]

Agreed. No news is good news but confirmation of oce server is best news

[Luuni-area-52]

So I just checked. There are 37 non-connected realms. 2 of those are OCE realms, yours and Frostmourne. So 5% of all the high pop servers at OCE.

If we go look at realmpop

There are 3,200,000 level 120 characters. Frostmourne is home to 410,000 and Barthilas is home to 242,000. That’s 662,000 level 120s out of 3,200,000. So 20% of all level 120s are on those two OCE servers.

They’ll give us OCE realms if 20%+ of their max level characters are on OCE.

[Scythah-barthilas (Scythah)]

Please for the love of god give us this.

[Tiranori-frostmourne]

100% supported. We need OC servers

[Severred-barthilas]

So I just checked. There are 37 non-connected realms. 2 of those are OCE realms, yours and Frostmourne. So 5% of all the high pop servers at OCE.

If we go look at realmpop

There are 3,200,000 level 120 characters. Frostmourne is home to 410,000 and Barthilas is home to 242,000. That’s 662,000 level 120s out of 3,200,000. So 20% of all level 120s are on those two OCE servers.

They’ll give us OCE realms if 20%+ of their max level characters are on OCE.

The maths checks out - thanks for doing the research pal. There’s a potential for more numbers too.

[Yinjing-tichondrius]

I would be surprised to not see OC servers, but what would surprise me would be a blue post on anything.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Frostmourne is home to 410,000 and Barthilas is home to 242,000. That’s 662,000 level 120s out of 3,200,000. So 20% of all level 120s are on those two OCE servers.

Where are these numbers coming from?

Realmpop says there are 52,141 L120s on Barthilas, and 70,906 on Frostmourne, out of a US total of 3,260,221.

That’s 3.7% of all 120s on the Armory are on those two Oceanic servers.

That means you’d need at least 29 NA servers at launch to justify 1 Oceanic.

[Mortalwombat-kelthuzad]

OCE servers +1

We’ll need this badly to deal with the dreadful latency down under.

Why can’t Blizzard confirm this?

[Vulvoi-gundrak]

That means you’d need at least 29 NA servers at launch to justify 1 Oceanic.

Nothing to justify really. We’ve had Oceanic servers for 3 expansions now, we will have them for Classic. It’s just that a lot of people would rest easy with an announcement because bizarre crap happens every day.

[Pungent-saurfang]

I think the classicwow subreddit census is a good indication of the percentage we should expect.
When asked, What server will you be playing on?
5.4% of 19,219 answered Oceanic.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Nothing to justify really. We’ve had Oceanic servers for 3 expansions now, we will have them for Classic. It’s just that a lot of people would rest easy with an announcement because bizarre crap happens every day.

I’m not debating that an Oceanic server should exist, because there is some demand for it, and there’s an established precedent.

But when people try to justify it with figures from population, the reality is that Blizzard is right when talking about a “niche” group. 3.7% of the population isn’t significant in any way.

I think they’ll be smart and release with at least 50 servers, in which case, an Oceanic one is justifiable based on realm population alone.

[Dragomear-kelthuzad]

So I’m just an ignorant American. Would you be so kind as to explain the difference? Like is it a language thing? You want a server in a foreign language? I’ve thought it would be more fun in Japanese (because Japanese kicks English’s @&$). Or is the community cooler and more thoughtful?

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

So I’m just an ignorant American. Would you be so kind as to explain the difference? Like is it a language thing? You want a server in a foreign language? I’ve thought it would be more fun in Japanese (because Japanese kicks English’s @&$). Or is the community cooler and more thoughtful?

Oceanic servers are located in Sydney Australia, with pings of about 30ms up to 100ms for Australian and New Zealand players (no idea about Singapore).

US North American PST servers are based in Los Angeles, on the other side of the Southern Cross Cable Network, giving unmodified pings of 200-400ms.

To be clear, the difference in physical distance between the two server farms is about 12,000 kms, or around 7,500 miles.

[Dragomear-kelthuzad]

Thank you! So basically its night time during the day when people…over there play during the day? And oceanic servers solve that? Also, pings? 30-100ms? I’m sorry, I’m like a child who’s wandered into the middle of a movie demanding context.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Thank you! So basically its night time during the day when people…over there play during the day? And oceanic servers solve that? Also, pings? 30-100ms? I’m sorry, I’m like a child who’s wandered into the middle of a movie demanding context.

• East Coast Australia is 18hrs ahead of the West Coast US. So when the US goes to sleep, Australia finishes work.
• Ping = Round trip time for a message to go from the client to the server and back. In PVP if your ping is over about 150 milliseconds (ms), you will attack someone with a melee attack and they’ll be out of range before the server hears about it. Oceanic players got good at pre-emptively attacking stuff in order to hit it.

So basically, Oceanic serves are servers far closer to the players on them, which group all the players in nearby timezones to each other, on the same servers. Its like having EST and PST servers in America, but the difference in timezones from PST is far greater. A server that is close, with people who are on the timezone as you, is a big advantage to having a strong population.

[Dragomear-kelthuzad]

Very well put. Thank you for explaining. Write on!

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Also, Oceanic servers have an outsized vocal group, because Australians (in particular) tend to be far louder in their complaints than the population might indicate.

[Vulvoi-gundrak]

Also, Oceanic servers have an outsized vocal group, because Australians (in particular) tend to be far louder in their complaints than the population might indicate.

No idea where that comes from, I think the same minority of Australians are on the forums as there are from any other country. Forum users are always the huge minority of players of any game.

Also not interested in any figures that people attempt to cull from websites. It’s all guesswork really, and undoubtedly terribly inaccurate. Blizzard knows how many accounts there are, not characters, and how many are active and how often. Until Blizzard decides to release sub counts again (haha) we have no real idea.

I’ve said I’ll still play even if we don’t get Oceanic servers, but I am rethinking that (so it has a lot of importance for me). I resubbed to sell stuff to buy tokens ready for Classic and even on Oceanic servers the lag can be pretty crappy at times. If I had to go back to vanilla level pings, I honestly don’t think I could.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

No idea where that comes from, I think the same minority of Australians are on the forums as there are from any other country.

Personal experience as an Australian?

Also not interested in any figures that people attempt to cull from websites. It’s all guesswork really, and undoubtedly terribly inaccurate. Blizzard knows how many accounts there are, not characters, and how many are active and how often. Until Blizzard decides to release sub counts again (haha) we have no real idea.

Sure, but Armory values are what people are using to justify Oceanic servers, even though the numbers when properly analyzed don’t justify Oceanic servers (or more than 1).

I’m hoping that Blizzard is smart enough to add one PVP and one PVE Oceanic server, but that’s not a “by the numbers” assessment. By the population numbers, they’d need to deploy at least a few dozen servers to justify it.