PvP ERA changes mentioned in today’s patch notes for the PTR:
Welcome to the Classic Era 1.14.4 test environment.
Features
New PvP Ranking System in Classic Era
- Testing of the PvP ranking system update will begin with a later build of the PTR.
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Hopefully we’ll hear more soon - I’ve heard through the grape vine there might be a forum post detailing the updates next week.
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Thank you, battle brother.
Your news is a salve to my soul.
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Why is blizzard still making changes to Classica Era? Keep the PVP grind and all the same. This is supposed to be a time capsuled game and this was the system in 2004 so it should stay that way.
Vanilla’s PVP ranking grind is exactly in the spirit of Classic. The ranking system forces you to have toa ctually get to know the people on your server (aka "the mafia lol)
Whenever blizzard makes "“quality of life changes” it ends up being worse somehow and destroying more of the classic feel of the game:
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Here’s a history of what happens when Blizzard touches the PVP system in classic:
original 1.12 (2004 or so) when cross server BGs became a thing, that’s when Afk-AV started. This was pretty much before TBC was coming, so Aq 40 and Naxx was already out and it pretty much killed PVP in the game then. PVP guilds pretty much died off because of cross server BGs because suddenly a group wasn’t needed anymore -
Classic 2019 - Blizzard decided to release BGs in phase 3 but with 1.12 AV and cross server BGs right from the start. So now the AFK started when BWL was “current content” and people are running around in Aq 40 epics when PVErs had at most T2
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SoM 2021 - Now blizzard decides to release the PVP system right from phase 1, so now you see AFK-AV starts right at tier 0 lmao. No one ran even the lvl 60 five-man dungeons, no one did attunements. Why even do MC when you can literally AFK for AQ 40 epics?
Damn jus leave classic alone. If people want an “easier” pvp system play retail or even wotlk lol.
People know what they’re getting into by playing classic; its the same system for the past 17 years. blizzard u doing waaaay too much. spend the development time on the “retail” version of wow or things like SoM 2 or HC. a “revamped” pvp system can go to these types of classic servers.
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Blizzard plz stop touching Classic era. This is supposed to be a time capsuled version of the game, esp since yall keep shutting down the “fan-made” ones.
Vanilla’s pvp grind was the “perfect” system back then for the type of game it was and it should stay that way. The grind made it very hard to solo WHICH IT SHOULD BE; this a group game and solo pvpers and AFKers shouldn’t be getting AQ 40 level gear.
This also forced pvpers to actually group up and learn who the other rankers are in their faction. PVP Communities are formed specifically because of this common goal to rank. (Pvpers and “the mafia” are their own community too).
The “problem” of grinding is also self-corrected and wasn;'t that bad; the “mafia” aka the PVPers lol sets the (informal) bracket caps and once we were done our cap, there wasn’t a need to pvp anymore for the week.
This is exactly what vanilla is for; community and players coming up with their own solutions. Even on whitemane which was the “sweaty chinese” server had manageable bracket caps, and lower pop servers were probably much better too. This was all set by the players and didn’t need blizzard to solve these issues.
The bracket caps depended on the server and just whatever pvp community the server had; you just had to actually talk to them WHICH IS THE DESIGN INTENT OF CLASSIC DURR.
The grind being as difficult as it is is very much in line with classic 
PVErs are forced to group together to get epics and sink either time or gold into getting their epics.
so PVPers should also be forced to group together and grind their way to R14 to get theirs too.
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To be fair we don’t know exactly what their changes entail but I agree with you in a general sense that era should remain the same. Too late now tho blizz is gonna do what it wants
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The setting is Azeroth minus the dark portal opening to Outland. There’s nothing to say it cannot branch off into its own novel story from there.
Seasonal realms are garbage design for an MMORPG and #NoChanges died before the 2019 launch.
fr blizzard is too stubborn to listen.
They only had one job to do, and it’s the easiest thing to do too: JUST DO NOTHING. Literally put down the mouse and keyboard lol. That’s it. That’s how you “improve” classic era
Save your dev time for other stuff damn. i remember blizzard putting out a survey asking “what other changes do you want for Som 2”. Isn’t changes to the classic pvp system more approporiate for Som 2 or a “Classic+” than classic era? Just save up all your “good ideas” and “changes” for a SOM 2 or whatever
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Nobody has a problem with needing to group up and grind towards getting gear.
The problem is being required to grind 12+ hours every day for 2 months straight with zero breaks in order to get gear thats inferior to aq40 gear and only fills half your slots.
The difference in effort required to get pvp gear vs pve gear is ridiculous.
The gear is inferior for both pve content and pvping yet requires astronomically more of a time commitment that is out of reach of people that are employed and/or have a life outside of wow
That’s vanilla homie. just dont grind r14 then and get PVE gear if you can’t. PVP is easier in some ways and harder in other ways. For PVE, you need 40 people and consooms almost every pull and durability loss etc. for PVP you only need 10, maybe 15, and most of the times minimal consooms. The trade off is a more time played, and even then it can be managed by setting lower brackets
There’s literally a PVP system made for you in WOTLK and retail. Go play those.
The reason why SOM sucked is because of the changes lol, not cuz of the that fact it was seasonal. and now yall want to bring those changes to era and kill it off again.
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Oh yeah im sure all the current rank 14 and naxx geared players in era are just gonna quit the game because people will be able to get rank 14 gear after months of farming at their own pace without poopsocking.
Cope harder neckbeard lol
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Yes, no go back to retail and leave the neckbeards to their game
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Even that is false. Combine the raid time of all 40 raiders for everyone to get their needed gear from a weekly reset instance and observe how the PvP time commitment is a drop in the bucket compared to PvE.
No, it was both.
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You’re right, I guess when I think of PVE i think of the most current raid only (naxx) but there are other raids that most people need too
Also, the “no-life PVP grind” isnt even really an issue until at least rank 11 and when there are bracket breakers. Most ppl can casual 1-10 pretty easily and you don’t even have to WIN to actually rank. And even from rank 11-13 no one cares that much if you break brackets; most of the time if a rando starts breaking brackets the mafia actually invite the bracket breaker to join them (player made solution to a player made problem )
There was a time when the bracket 1 spot only needed 600-700K honor on whitemane which can be done in 3 days. I have a FT job and i could do that pretty easily in 5 days
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I just wanted to say that it’s nice to see a like-minded poster on this thread.
I agree with everything you’ve been saying. For me, I kind of went all out with ranking in Classic with a full-time job and my loving family’s support of me doing a crazy thing for a while (and that was short lasting - they get a lot of my attention now, I only game for a few hours a week at the moment).
I play for the MMO experience and enjoyed getting to know other rankers and enjoy working as a team in a PVP group setting on the BG maps and getting better as a team. I met a lot of great people, several of whom I still talk to. Gear to me is at the VERY bottom of why I play. For me, it’s almost all about the experience of playing with others, which is fine because that’s part of what an MMORPG should be about.
After Classic the game went to the TBCC prepatch and the BG games became just terrible, full of people who were very selfish in the way they play the maps, not willing to be team players at all, and only there for gear. AKA the exact opposite of what makes an MMO or the BG experience better.
I haven’t been playing Era but from what I heard the 12-hour-a-day rank grinds weren’t even a thing anymore.
The changes Blizzard made in SoM to try to “fix” ranking were bad. I don’t like Era changes at all but personally think I’d be ok with changes that still encourage team grouping and the like and support that made this version of WoW what it was.
However, I also don’t trust that Blizzard will do a good job. At least it doesn’t seem like they are going to do the awful currency system that’s in two versions of WoW so I’ll reserve my full judgment for when I see the changes.
It’s annoying when well-thought-out stuff like your comments get posted and you get one-liner replies like some of these, full of the typical worded childish namecalling and showing a complete lack of wanting to understand other viewpoints or really anything beyond a picked-apart, and taken out of context sentence about “Gear”. That is clearly all some people play for even though that type of preference of only caring about gearing and themselves much better fits another version of WoW or even more - the single-player RPG genre.
I just wanted to reply to say that someone “gets you”. I do think Blizzard decided long ago what they were going to do on their end.
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fr lol. ALL blizzard has to do is literally nothing on Classic Era. legit passive income at this point. The Classic era devs can legit go home and sleep and they can still look competant. fumbling “doing nothing” is something I thought impossible but I’m seeing blizz doing it in real time lmao.
Blizz board: “hey devs, it looks like classic era has had an increase in population lately. gj!”
Classic era devs: “thanks :)”
there’s a reason why wotlk classic is bleeding players, while classic era is still seeing lvl 10s in durotar. I jus helped some lvl 44 with hinterland quests and i still saw hord and alliance on my way up to the egg.
Big W to those who cloned their characters too kek
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Can you all please let us know what is going to change? I’m sitting here in limbo wanting to rank on new character.
I’ve heard next week there may be a blue post coming with more details.
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Revert the bleedover of the SoM faster ranking, restoring the proper classic ranking rate, then leave Era alone.
Thanks!
P.s., No future bleedover of any kind from seasonal content servers to Era, ideally including inflated gold.
Thanks, again!
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just get us out of this limbo of not being able to rank and pvp…
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