I especially liked the emphasis on ‘CLEANSE’ with paladins.
There’s a lot of discussion that can be had of the bounds of what ‘the job’ is. You also have players competing with different passions or goals in mind for what is enjoyable, there’s an extent of this that is unavoidable, e.g. you have some people that want nice 1vX clips while they may place the objective of the BG at a lower value than being the absolute number one goal they’re tunnel visioning on. You may find too many people are undergeared and incompetent, (happened a lot this AB weekend which Cezar and I were in) and after clashing and playing for the objective a bunch of times, the players know enough to know they’re not going to win unless some lightning strike happens and enough horde disconnect/lag out all at once.
Still, despite some players vying for certain interests, targeting players due to feuds, trying to record clips, etc. the general idea of ‘winning with the team and helping them’ is there. If you find a teammate that isn’t juggling weights and goals at all, and he’ll just let his teammates die, not play for the objective and not fight and kill people, or slow them down & cc them, or heal teammates, you’re talking about someone that is not conducive to a team despite “wanting to play their way”. The ‘their job’ category is broad and wide, there’s tons of disagreements on whether they should have done this decision, then but this is all part of what Cezar is talking about, here, he’s not so arrogant as to say “If you don’t do this, right now, at this second, there’s 0 plausible reason anyone could every have for playing different and you’re objectively playing wrong and you’re griefing your team and I’m better and smarter than you and you suck”
The thing that makes me laugh when you get 4+ warriors, (or rogues or anything) in the BG, then they say “stop playing ret be useful and go holy” then when you say “There’s 5 of you, you reroll” they say “no thanks I don’t want to heal a ret” cool so now instead of 4 warriors + 1 healer + a ret, or 3 wars, 2 healers, 1 ret (better flexibility for both offense and defense than 4 wars+2healers btw) we’re 5 warriors and 1 ret, cool. Same for off specs like shadow priest, ele/enhance, etc.
We report West almost on a daily bases for holding wsg games hostage for hours by getting flag and getting into spots you’re not supposed to be on…. Can’t kill him and he doesn’t turn in. Not banned, not now and not ever. If blizzard doesn’t care or do anything about something that’s game breaking, that ruins everyone’s game and potentially that particular bg’s weekend, sure as hell not going to care if you report someone for afk in wsg. Funny how you didn’t mention that 0.o
Out here to telL ppl you’ll report them from afk but you don’t mention the real problem in wsg….
Gear? Yeh I am living proof of that I gave up, join bg as a goof but not for PvP or ranking up. I did 3 mc/bwl and got me into naxx did two nax and I am 7/8 t3 plus other stuff 100000x faster than pvp to gear up
AB is fine, at least you get pt while holding flags and someone has to win
Wsg Let it go, Blizzard doesn’t care, the crew with the mentality of “wsg was broken in classic and it needs to stay that way to be truly classic, GO RETAIL if you don’t like it” is the one to blame
AV? Please….. Hordw rushes to kill boss while alliance is content with killing some commanders and then when horde fails, they have the audacity to complain while riding to Drek “now we have to win, this will take longer now”
Want PvP? Go hit wpvp plenty of ppl out there to grief
I am 100% here still because of IronClad guild, cool ppl and a pleasure to play with raiding with them doesn’t feel like a job. PvP in classic has been a gigantic let down.
(The ret paladin hate). I understand now why ARTHAS did it……. Dude had to switch sides cause this is rough.
Obviously it isn’t the same for everyone. I just happen to roll with a crew that has all of those items, easier to roll on stuff most of them already have.
I stayed in classic because of them. 100%. Very nice group of ppl that help you with anything and make raiding feel fun and not a job. Loving it and wouldn’t change it. I hate healing…. God I hate healing, I love healing for them
I remember the “glory days” of playing a shadow priest in 2005 when most paladins didn’t have cleanse on their bars. I went into 2019 intending to play shadow with rose tinted glasses only to discover sw:p doesn’t last for more than one tick.
Depends, if its Rank 1 SWP I leave that on because it breaks all the CC’s, and then I intentionally eat scatters, traps bait blinds, seduce and all kinds of things.. even better is because most of the allies paladins and priests have to be promted like an Ai multiple times just to get a cleanse..
You know what the only curse they ever gets decursed is? Any time some blessed lock gives me Curse of Reck, that instantly gets decursed but they will leave curse of tongues on me till it rots.
Additionally this is 1.12 the worse version of Vanilla and this makes scream immune to dispel… yet for some reason its perfectly fine to break it with Zerk, death wish, Will, Tremor, and PVP trinket.. That’s some straight up anti-priest / anti-paladin crap right there..
Additionally because 1.12 is bad they also have he training wheels version of Purge and Cleanse on tap here that only lets you use the ability if there is something to purge / cleanse in turn saving bad players mana..
IMO revert to pre 1.9 wow on this so that scream can be instant cleansed (it will not be) and that purge / cleanse can OOM you faster than a boomkin dummy spams noob-fire.
