Classic+ Done Right: The Version Blizzard Is Too Scared to Make

No they are working on something

The catch is that it “never ends” so they can attempt to avoid massive player falloff

But that will happen regardless if it doesn’t meet majority of people’s expectations

Classic took on an influx of like 50+ employees last year. It is definitely coming the question is will it be good

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god I hope so

Thats a good thing, just like arena weapons from 1 season before in TBC. Everyone had them, which made PUG pools all the better and drama around raid weapons less impactful.

I’d argue r14 weapons are a lot more powerful than season 1 weapons. I get your point, but in a vanilla setting these are the best weapons until naxxramas. Season1 weapons do not equate to sunwell weapons.

It’s a good analogy but not quite correct

It’s also so easy to get that it’s kinda required. You will easily be passed up by a melee dps that has these weapons ifnyou don’t. That’s just what it is

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It’s in human nature to want to stand out and to want to make your own mark

Certain ideologies like the idea that humans would be happy if we had equal everything are just false. Humans strive for inequality, we want to have exclusive things or rare things few if any other people have.

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They’re certainly trying. Nothing wrong with hoping for a miracle though. They could mess up their vision so irrevocably that it turns out to actually be good in some twist of fate. They have the collective game design skills of a bloated whale carcass, but perhaps when the gases build up and the carcass explodes the viscera will form the Mona Lisa.

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In a SSC / TK world, they’re Kara / Gruul / Mag equivalent (sometimes better, depending on spec and class)
In a BT world, they’re SSC / TK equivalent
In a Sunwell world, they’re BT equivalent (except, of course, warglaives)

Do remember the honor weapons updated with seasons as patches went by. They were the PvP equivalent to the badge options, and allow for badge gear to cover other specs and roles. Trivial to get, omnipresent, great to get before even starting heroics.

it still takes a minimum of eight weeks of grinding, at least four of which will average 40 hours+ a week of gameplay

sure, this is easy compared to the old r14 system, but that’s not easy by any reasonable metric

the reason they’re so common is because classic (especially era) has no casual players anymore

No, it isn’t. Thats just bs copium from self-help ‘gurus’. Humans crave conformity, those who stand out do so in spit of the crushing pressure towards the mean, not because of it.

Throughout humanity the largest portion of us have been nameless NPCs quietly toiling away on the daily grind, living a standard life thinking standard thoughts. Only weirdos and teens want to ‘feel’ special.

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You can cap over a weekend.

It doesn’t take 40 hours. It never took me that. But I also win other BGs.

It’s not hard at all to hit the caps if you do a preschoolers level of weekly planning

The entire server has this gear and it is required if you are melee.

Obviously there isn’t a strong barrier preventing people from having this

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No they only give the appearance of this in public because they’re cowards that lack confidence. In reality, there are countless degenerate and weird people with degenerate and weird interests and thoughts they only keep to themselves or within their own families or within their own small social circles. Some especially degenerate people take their weirdness to places like the dark web.

There is no way you can cap 500k in a weekend as a solo player, unless it’s AV bonus weekend and you play for 10 hours a day.

During non-bonus weekend, on anniversary, including queue times, I get about 10k-15k honor per hour. It goes up to about 20k-30k per hour during the bonus weekend.

Perhaps the HPH is different on Era, but it seems unlikely to me that it would be the 2x-3x faster that you seem to be implying.

There simply aren’t any players on Era who are too casual to ever do this, and once they do it once, they have it forever.

weirdos like to think this to not feel as abnormal as they are- While true, not everyone is exactly as the standard, its a standard for a reason, most people are happy being straight, monogamous, having vanilla sex, following normie trends and have no need or desire to stray. Being in a niche forum for a videogame that attracts loners Im sure you’ve convinced yourself otherwise, but the large majority of people are bland boring and normal. As should be.

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Av hph is always bad. When there is a healthy amount of wsg and ab (som, 2019, sod) you can make 30k hph easily if you know what you’re doing

If you’re a solo pug player that’s your own fault.
But don’t pretend most people playing wow don’t have a bunch of time - that’s easily disproven by simply logging into orgrimmar and seeing 90% of the server in r14 gear

This whole notion that 90% of wow players are dads with no time does not accurately translate into reality

Easy r14 is bad for the game. If blizzard intents for it to be this easy it should be capped at bwl item levels

Are you currently r14 on anniversary? If so, what phase did you hit r14?

Early phase AV produces WAYYYY more hph than later phases because all of the good players rank to 14 immediately - if you were to be ranking in AV this phase, it would be nails on chalkboard

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I think you misread something, becuase I’m agreeing with this. The vast majority of Era players (and anniversary players) have huge amounts of free time. There are no “two hours a week” casuals playing Vanilla. (I have no idea if any of those people play retail anymore either, but they played actual Vanilla back in the day.)

I’m r11 right now, will be r14 three weeks from tuesday.

It’s possible that’s affecting it, but I don’t think that would make a huge difference. Even the absolute best case, outside of weekends, still comes to about 15-20k hph.

30k from mixed bgs just sounds like ‘pubstomping in Naxx gear’ which I don’t think is a viable metric for people who are ranking up.

Oh no the difference between early gen rankers and late gen are enormous.

When I was ranking my games were 8-10 mins on average. AV honor is really subpar unless you have a bunch of big dogs that you end up spamming into the same games all day long with

I’m talking about the 2 tanks witu a shaman and 2 priests in his group that raid warnings calls etc. those games are over instantly

The late phase AVs take MUch longer on average. I know because when I resubbed my pally I gave it 3 weeks in the snow and could hardly stand the gap between the p6 rankers and gen 1-2

I’d make this on classic 2019 and som in ab and wsg even when fighting against premades

Sure if you solo Q you’ll never hit that but that just goes to show you the difference between player types. If you solo Q you’re always going to be on the lower end

People mainly play av even if it produces less honor on average for the average player because it doesn’t really require you to put in much effort. You can follow the Zerg around and afk and make 15k anyways

There are definitely a good amount of raid logger casuals in anniversary. There are guilds I forget that exist because I never see their members online because 90%+ of them raid log and buy gold to raid log.

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No this is just naivety and lack of life experience at its finest. You sound like you’ve just been coddled your whole life and haven’t really seen the real world or the darker side of it.

Dude, Im from LATAM, whatever ‘harsh reality’ you seem to believe exist in whatever 1st world country you’re from is just the result of boredom and coddling affecting the minds of those without actual needs. When humans have nothing and no oversight, they dont devolve to cannibals and hedonism, their humanity shines through.

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