So, still no news from blizzard. I am losing hope every minute here.
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solo queue/duo queue RBG for warsong gulch and arathi basin
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tbc prepatch currency system is my guess
I resubbed last week and Iâm alrdy rank 7 from casually doing Bgs for fun. The PVP honor system as-is isnât that hard
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its never been hard to get to rank8 - rank9. Once you hit r10 you will notice how much honor you need to farm to move forward.
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Rank 12+ is where you have to start dedicating your entire days to it. Everything else is whatever
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Playing 16 hours a day and taking mdma or snorting the white stuff on the daily to do it isnât really all that good for you. BGs arent a great way to farm gold either and consumes were expensive and its not like they were doing anything to earn it so you can guess where that came from.
Saying they were scum wasnât an insult, it was an honest observation. But you liked farming pugs with them so you kinda turned a blind eye to anything negative.
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âYou like farming pugsâ assumption and opinion which can be easily dismissed. No proof of Mootwo liking pugs.
I play fresh servers for competitive pre v pre. I donât need to do drugs to get my ranks.
Throwing out assumptions isnt making a good case
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It takes at least 3 weeks in the top bracket to go from r13-r14 plus at least 2 weeks in the top bracket to go from r12-r13.
r12-r14 can take as much as 6 weeks alone. also at R13 you have to be in the top bracket to progress at all. any lower bracket you will only break even making no progress.
http s://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38602
The som rank has been on era for a while, cutting that time in half. Unless thatâs changed in the time I havenât logged in recently
4 people on Whitemane Alliance got R14 last week with one million honor each. One of them spent only one week (last week) at R13, so itâs much easier now than in 2019 Classic.
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The implication being they hated farming pugs and pugs being farmed was a mere coincidence? Chea okay. Maybe you want to go with âits an unfortunate side effect of playing against a super sweaty premade whose intent is to farm pugs for fast honor gains.â Your dismissal is certainly your prerogative but thatâs not changing anything. Its just a case of you identifying with them aka bias.
Its the same for Mootwo. They played in curbstomp premades so naturally they are going to defend the activity because if its ever uncovered that its kinda weak and a lil bit scummy then that doesnât make Mootwo look too good. So make premading sound great instead.
Ive argued with Mootwo over this in the past. Mootwo is okay with doxxing, harassing, and threatening unsuspecting innocent players because âthey wont play nice with othersâ. If you donât join their sweat cult theyâll go out of their way to blacklist you in any way they can manage.
Irrelevant but okay.
I guess you reserve it for when you post on forums.
Its not something that gets a lot of air time here for obvious reasons but its been attested too that some people playing 16-18 hours a day, 5-6 days a week took various âsupplementsâ to help them manage it. Its not a huge leap to think thatâs a real possibility.
Youâre best bet are discords, reddit and youtube where this has been documented.
Im not making any assumptions. I was running into streamer premades 3-5 times a night and so was everyone else on my teams. They went to great lengths to embarrass and otherwise humiliate their opponents. Go read the threads, its a matter of recorded Classic history - a large sub section of players did not enjoy the pvp experience Classic was offering.
Thatâs why people would like separate solo queues by the way, since you attested to being unsure.
People âin control ofâ honor gains through brackets were the same guys flyhacking dozens of level 1 gnomes across continents every day to die in horde lowbie grave yards to pad the player pool for them and god help you if you if you interfered with that process. Videos are up on youtube.
Guys buying gold for things like faps and flasks and whatever else was discussed openly, everywhere. So, what assumptions again?
Youâre making nothing BUT assumptions.
âHe has to fight pugs so naturally he will defend themâ
Strawman. Logical fallacy. It would be illogical to persue this further. You have zero proof what Mootwo thinks. You have zero proof what I think.
I have played in warsong tournaments and warsong related servers for good games. You
Think Iâm queing up to farm pugs?
Playing against pugs does not = wanting to farm them. There are ranker groups who rank SOLELY to farm other premades and for that bragging right. I fall into that category. Farming pugs is just
A product of the ranking system.
Pugs shouldnât have the game changed because they chose to pug. That is a purely emotional point of view.
I have always advocated for pre v pre q. What I am against is a system favoring pugs, because that WILL become the favor and destroy group play which is one of the #1 concepts of an mmo. Anyone can get in a premade. Anyone stating otherwise is blatantly lying or purposely trying to avoid getting in one
You donât know wtf youâre taking about when it comes to ranking, premade v premade,
Competitive bgs or anything similar and if you want to persue I will pound you into the dirt over
It.
Cool, you saw a video of coke fly hacking level 1s and now are using that as a red herring for all rankers. Another logical fallacy. Youâre second in one post.
âI saw a video thoâ why have I never seen that? Must not be a common occurrence.
If youâre going to discuss pvp and ranking at least have SOME knowledge about it, SOME experience and leave your emotions out of it cause I will gun down every one of your opiniated strawman.
Leave pvp discussion for the pvpers. Of which you are not. Stay in your lane.
âBut they do drugs to rankâ is an embarrassing give away that you have no idea what youâre talking about and also have next to no experience whatsoever ranking and pvping. Think you do? Try
Me king
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Yeah, I donât do drugs outside of caffeine in coffee and Iâve never RMTed.
Did I turn a blind eye toward admissions to this stuff? Sure, or I wouldnât have kept playing WoW because with PVP or just in raid guild you hear about all this and a whole lot more. When you talk to people especially those you get to know, you learn a lot about what they do. Iâd say itâs just accepting others quirks but if thatâs turning a blind eye then ok.
Iâve had conversations with Corpseknife in the past. Actually, Iâve had conversations with like 50% of the people in this thread before, and probably more when some posted on other toons. I forgot that Zejung was in some of those conversations too. Itâs just because Iâm passionate.
Iâve said Iâm ok with premades farming pugs because thatâs the game, and the worst Iâve said is probably that I donât feel bad for farming pugs. Note that I do not mean grief I mean get HK farm at the graveyard and move on. The premades would usually be done by Sunday and Monday so I used to tell people to try playing then to help get them into games that were more fun for them, things have probably changed with that in Era.
There was like a thread on this a day for a while. People would get mad at me for telling them when to play and say that they wanted to play on Tuesdays so they would be like âWell I want to play Tuesdays so I will, Blizzard needs to fix their game!â. Well great then, make another complaint thread instead of trying to help yourself by either teaming up or playing on a better day.
Oh, and I premaded in Vanilla pre-cross realm BGs too so I know they were always a thing. They were absolutely always a part of what this version of the game was from the day BGs got released. Take that being part of the game away and you completely change the game, although Iâm not saying this change will take premades away (yet), or that the next season/fresh wonât be different.
Iâve also said Iâm ok with the following many times over the years:
- RBGs to rank/gear that still encourage teamplay (with no consume, profession, jump changes, etc)
or - Premade vs premade queues with which there is still a benefit to playing as a premade to encourage team play.
Well yes Iâm ok with people having repercussions on their server because they decide to knowingly do things like changing honorspy to break the brackets by 77k and where they intentionally cause dozens of people to have to PVP for another week. I am not ok with irl doxing in any way.
I havenât seen talk about this sort of thing for a long time so the discussion seems to have gone away. If you think Iâm bad for having the opinion that there should be a server community and things that you do in that community should matter, thatâs fine.
Anyway, Blizzard is doing what they are doing and some will be happy with whatever that is and some will not be, pretty much no matter what. I know what I like and what I donât like and so do others.
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Yeah Iâd assume just label corpseknife a meme when it comes to pvp discussions. You and I have ranked multiple times and experienced it server after server and itâs
Obvious when someone else has no recollection of this
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Hopefully a reversion to the correct Classic ranking progression rate. After that, they back away from touching Era completely. The idea of making changes for âthe long-term health of the gameâ is an absolute farce. They basically maimed Classic Era when they charged for cloning, but it came back on its own with multiple realms now maintaining significant populations. There is no need for any action on Era, as judged by the number of people that came back to play the game as-is.
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Wrong.
A dude literally went from rank 13 to 14 in a week.
I dont think you know the math at all lol.
Hopefully, that should be fun. Although theyâd have to do timers in wsg. Imagine a 4 hour long rated WSG because 2 FCâs were doing all the wall jumps. Probably have to fix the wall jumps too for rated.
I think changing the game is kind of the point of people asking for changes.
There is never proof of what someone is thinking besides the reflection in what they do and say.
According to you anyway.
Youâre posting your thoughts and have always been on the defensive when it comes to the subject of premades. I donât need to read your mind to know this, youâre putting it all out there, I donât need to guess or make stuff up. You have a long track record when it comes to this.
I know what Mootwo thinks for the same reason. I know for a fact where Mootwo (who, for the record, I admire as a poster) stands on premades because I argued with them directly on the subject of premades, multiple times.
We can talk about exceptions to the rule all day but Im not here to do that since it takes the focus off the rule, which is what Im more interested in. Just because some premades only exist to fight other premades doesnât mean honor/pug premades dont or did not exist.
You couldnât have had a goal of farming 800k to a million honor in a week and rank all the way to R14 fighting other premades almost exclusively. At some point, putting yourself in an excellent position to farm defenseless teams had to be a part of the plan - and it was.
Well if that was true for everyone then you would think all these premaders would be on here begging for premade vs premade queues - but the opposite occurs. Solo players ask for separate queues and the premaders lose their damn minds and start talking about the travesty of dividing the community and robbing people of the wonderful opportunity of being on the receiving end of a 5-0 GY farm zero honor AB loss they waited 10-15 minutes to get into because of how great that is for the pvp community.
For myself, my opposition to premades isnt that they exist and/or end up farming pugs. My opposition to them is that they are completely intolerant of any rational criticism of their actions and the consequences thereof.
If you look at the bigger picture, pugs asking for a pug only queue is an extremely valid request. To suggest otherwise is pure folly. But I guess you need to be a pug to understand this.
Pugs fighting pugs and premades fighting premades isnt a system that favors pugs - or premades for that matter.
How will it destroy group play? The least you could do is back it up and prove it if youâre going to say it.
This is one of the more often repeated and disingenuous statements ever to come out of this topic. You might as well tell me premading is all about playing with friends and to kick back and relax with them.
Yeah, anyone can form their own premade. Can we account for the bar set by R14 seeking premades? How come you dont get real and say anyone can play 16 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, regularly cheat and buy gold for consumes and harass other players who are playing the system just like they are but donât want to conform to the premaders dictates?
You have this annoying tendency to puff your chest out and declare yourself the final arbiter and foremost authority.
Challenge accepted. Bring it internet tough guy.
I didnt just see a video. I saw 100 videos and I witnessed it in person on dozens of occasions and more than once I posted about the harassment I received as a result of screwing with it.
Thats not what I said. I was providing you with the location of where you can find the facts Im referring too since youâre opting for blissful ignorance instead of what actually transpired.
Which I shouldnt even have to do since anyone who has even a lukewarm understanding of how Classic played out is aware of it let alone someone who professes to know everything about Classic PvP.
Mighty big talk for someone who doesnât seem to know that honor farm premades were a thing in classic or how they operated.
Mootwo validated my stance in a response to you. Mootwo admitted they had inside knowledge of that kind of stuff happening. Mootwo admission refutes your arguments. I also have some inside knowledge of it happening to go with all the hundreds if not thousands of testimonials. How is a self proclaimed know it all like yourself out of the loop then?
Its not my fault that its true bruh, this stuff has been documented all over the place, including these forums. People who played in these premades shared their experiences and it turns out it all wasnt a love fest of comaraderie, friendship, community building and a desire for competitive games like youâre stupidly suggesting.
I didnt accuse every single ranking premader of doing it, only that it was a known facet of how some people were able to play WoW 16 hours straight almost everyday. It doesnât make me happy to know it transpired and acknowledge it publicly. The opposite really, I find it somewhat depressing because some of those stories didnt have the happiest of endings.
Wrong again. Let me know when you have something intelligent and correct to add to the discussion.