warriors are the best tank right now and dps ones absolutely wreck in aoe.
it feels like youre trolling lol
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I would just like to know in what universe you guys are finding these scary Prot Warriors that are dealing so much damage that you feel like Shield Slam is more deserving of being nerfed in PVP than Windwalker Monk damage.
I’ve played with every healing spec as a tank, I’m well aware of which healing classes use more/less mana, lol… I’ve seen them all run out of mana from playing their spec incorrectly. Last season, in a Grim Batol 7 I was running on my tank to farm crests, I ran into a disc priest who was spamming flash heal and like ~5% of their healing was atonement.
I’ve also healed a prot pally in City of Threads who literally refused to use his shield of the righteous more than like 3 times per pull, on my shaman. That is the ONLY time I ever had a slight issue with mana. Every other time I’ve had an issue, is just people not doing mechanics correctly, to which, I adjust HOW I’m healing and I’m fine.
Healing isn’t a blanket thing that you just do. You adjust to how the rest of the group is playing, and heal in a way that suits that group. Sometimes you can get away with spamming chain heal, sometimes you have to spam healing wave, sometimes you spam healing surge. It’s all about the group. If you have good players who do mechanics correctly, you will have to heal less. It’s just how healing works.
literally warcraftlogs. Top Prot warrior, on cauldron of carnage, his highest execute hit for 6mil, his highest shield slam hit for 5.9mil. A 5% nerf to shield slam isn’t a massive nerf. Like… “oh no, now his highest shield slam will hit for 5.6 mil!” - brother, it’ll be ok.
Yeah except I’m not. Warrior across the board in m+ is at best average (protection) or under performing severely. Unholy dk log reports for dps are almost 1 million higher than fury and 700k higher than arms. Now they nerf a fun dps focused tank build, and for what? To get more demon hunters and paladins in queue? Apart from the 4 weeks of pre-patch before TWW dropped, warrior has been mid at best since I started playing again in season 2 of dragonflight. So for nearly 2 years, possibly longer, just riding along on the struggle bus cause the devs don’t seem to care.
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That’s because Blizz went out of their way to nerf Execute for all 3 specs with their last round of beating Warriors half to death with the nerf bat. The dps specs were then complaining that Slam was now hitting for nearly the same amount as Execute.
But more importantly…
Anyone, Devs included, can feel free to browse the PVP leaderboards. Whether in Arena, Solo Shuffle ,or BG Blitz, all tank specs are lagging behind their dps and healer counterparts by anywhere from 500 to 1000 rating.
In BG Blitz, the highest rated Arms Warrior is 3002 while the highest rated Prot Warrior is 2531.
In Solo Shuffle, the highest rated Arms Warrior is 2609 while the highest rated Prot Warrior is 2032.
This would lead a sensible person to believe that Prot Warrior needs buffs. But here we are seeing Shield Slam nerfed in both PVE and PVP by 5% while Arms is receiving huge buffs in PVP when they’re already proving to be effective.
Where’s my Necrotic Strike? Give it back or I’ll scream.
Slam is hitting for 1.6mil on top arms warrior. ~73% less than shield slam.
All tank spec’s aren’t meant to be able to do the same damage as dps, AND have more survivability than them lol…
I’m not sure what fantasy land you’re in where you think they should be, but they shouldn’t. If that were the case, everyone would just play the tank spec and never play the dps specs.
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we shouldnt tune specs based on people who dont push said specs to their maximum limit. thats how you get things like shammy who did poorly at lowtier but does alot at higher tier.
Tank specs do nowhere near as much damage as dps in PVP. And with the hidden increased damage to tanks in PVP, dps specs are far closer to the durability of tanks than tanks are to the offensive output of dps.
Again, feel free to browse the PVP leader boards. Since you seem to love numbers so much, see for yourself how every single tank spec is 500 to 1000 rating behind their dps and healer counterparts.
Or better yet, test it for yourself. Play any tank spec in PVP and see how effective you feel compared to a dps or healer spec.
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Then maybe… JUST MAYBE… play the dps specs? Tank spec’s are mostly useless in PVP.
I don’t really care about PVP, so your appeal to emotion isn’t going to affect me. If I was going to PVP, I’d just play a dps or healer spec, like I have in the past, because again, tank specs are mostly useless in PVP.
I know WoW is becoming more and more seasonal and all, but like if you guys really want people to play very specific classes/specs each season, just come out and say something.
It’s unacceptable Brewmaster is left in this state and this tuning is a joke. Brann received 20x as many changes as some of these specs.
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With their current tuning, yes they are. Which makes it all the more insane that Shield Slam would be getting nerfed in PVP.
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Rated pvp should be deleted from the game though. Nobody cares about it.
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I don’t care about it except that it provides a means to show how each spec is performing in PVP. Tank specs across the board are finding far less success than dps and healers.
All tanks are in need of buffs, but Blizz continues to dish out nerfs to Prot Warrior when it was already significantly lagging behind the other 2 Warrior specs.
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I don’t really see too much demand from pvpers to have viable tank specs in pvp.
I think tanks should have some space in pvp, otherwise there’s very little for some tanks to do outside of dungeons (as raid tanks are usually long time officers).
But as I said, players don’t seem to like fighting tanks and blizzard has mostly agreed, with how weak they keep them in pvp. Unfortunately, I expect it’s the same tanks that are strong in PvE that are likely strong in pvp too, but I could be wrong as I don’t touch pvp.
When Tanks are viable in PVP nobody else is having fun.
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Im pretty sure pvpers want tanks to be bad. Nobody ever wants to have someone RP as main character all over their game making what should be a 2-3 minute fight take 15-20 minutes.
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What you’re describing here is the current state of healers, not tanks.
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I understand. I remember facing tanks on my rogue in the early expansions, often killing myself slowly against thorns effects and such.
I just think if someone wants to main a tank in modern wow, for the most part they’ll be doing m+. There’s very little demand in raids (you’ll likely join a guild with 2 tanks and several players who can off tank already) and pretty much non existent demand in pvp, to my knowledge.
Trying to make 6 tanks pvp viable without causing matches to last an eternity is an extremely difficult task that I don’t expect to happen.
Idk how hard shield slam is hitting in pvp, but if it’s not egregious, I don’t see a problem with the nerf not affecting pvp I guess.
Prot warrior dps is pretty crazy in PvE though, from what I’ve seen and heard. I wish brewmaster still had their dps to rely on.