Class Tuning Incoming – August 18

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@Tyranis-maiev

nwo csaa doesnt benefit from sky fury, but templar strike does. sicne ts still allows you to proc aow from skyfury with your autos

emm this is not true:

@Linxy

• Art of War no longer activates from additional Skyfury attacks.
• Additional Skyfury attacks no longer generate Holy Power when talented into Crusading Strikes.
• Crusading Strikes now increases auto-attack speed by 15% (was decreasing by 20%).

It would be a very interesting tuning if, as you say, choosing TS made AoW work with Skyfury again, but that’s not the case. AoW no longer works with Skyfury in any way.

@Tyranis-maiev

honestly thats a bolas problem not a wow problem. alot of tcers add 5% difference builds in guides but it ultimately relies on the guide writer to put it in.

But since it’s one of the major mass media, it goes without saying that it has a huge influence on the community. As you said, it’s not a WOW issue. I live and continue to live very well using TS. I’m just disappointed that many people who would like to use it don’t because of this famous 5% and the fact that it’s not mentioned. If it doesn’t happen, it’s due to a rather questionable design.

@Tyranis-maiev

its not rocket science dude.

I know every evolution and every reason for all their changes, it was stupid every two melee, better as it is now. The problem is all this bonus speed it has which continues to be on the razor’s edge on a balance with TS

@Tyranis-maiev

they lowkey realized that people dont really like fillers

And there are just as many people who, filler or not, prefer MANUAL Hopo generation gameplay. TS has a much better Hopo generation feel than the historic CS, which was the true and authentic filler.

TS has that extra spark and versatility that makes it, in my opinion, an excellent “filler,” as everyone calls it.

Over the years, they’ve improved TS more and more, and right now I think it’s the best version ever.

@Tyranis-maiev

should we buff ts until its “good” tho. it actively fights with priority despite being filler. it feels bad when a filler is stronger than something of a staple like judgement in terms of raw dps numbers. despite judgement having more hooks attached to it.

well actually it’s already like that :

https://it.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qX1WcMCFjD6KmZvB?fight=23&type=damage-done&source=6

@Tyranis-maiev

it feels bad

The real “feels bad” isn’t having that momentary gap just before getting all my CDs back in line, but what really bothers me is seeing that almost no one has the courage to use TS despite everything because of that 5%; amplified by the standardization resulting from every guide on the ret paladin, which are rightly based on the deductions, simulations, and tests that derive from a design that, in my opinion, still doesn’t incentivize the community to use TS.

The clear example is this season, where we finally see the community using both Templat and Herald as talents in the logs. Why is this happening? Because the class design has improved so much that Herald is mentioned in the guides and, in many cases, even recommended. This has meant that the community is now roughly 50-50 in terms of Hero talent distribution. It would be nice to see a similar thing happen for Csaa and TS.