Demo got blasted for having like 55% haste but ite perfectly fine for SPriest to have way more than that amount of crit because of triple chorus I guess.
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Blizzardâs practices around balancing (how often they do tuning, the effectiveness of it, etc) have always been my least favorite aspect of the game. Itâs been a constant thorn in my side since day 1. Itâs had better iterations where things have gotten closer than they historically are (WOTLK disregarding âpvp specsâ, and actually mid-late legion were really good) but theyâve been going backwards all BFA back to the days of Vanilla âbring the class, not the playerâ levels of incompetency.
Spriests being clear gods two tiers in a row either means theyâre wholly incompetent at encounter design and decafto favor multidotting specs, or that spriests are severely overtuned. Either way, they need to fix it and compensate the weaker classes and/or nerf the clear outliar.
TL;DR yes itâs a joke and probably the single worst aspect of the game
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Vision of Perfection + Lucid dreams on the PTR is going to cause some really broken things to happen if it goes live as-is.
Thereâs no way itâs going live like it is, but itâs kind of a shame. Those are the only two abilities you can slot that are class-based.
I brought a baguette to share 
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Last i checked classes were never balanced.
Oh and they never will be either. Get over it.
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Class balance is a joke .
There will never be balance because no 2 players are alike in how they play. The only thing Blizz should do is let us as players have the ability to pick talents from whatever specs we want and not just from 1 specific spec and let us find what works best for us as individuals.
When I say pick talents from each spec I donât mean like the old bloated talent trees but maybe a more streamline version like the current talent system and with the various tomes to make changes.
There will always be players that do better then others and that is fine but even those that donât do as good over time will find combinations that work best for them as players.
People need to stop with the no fair they play better then me attitude , because life isnât fair and not everyone is equal . You take what choices you have and hopefully the choices you make to your toon bring the balance to it you need to play better.
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what i see is multidotters owning.
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âperfection is unable to be achieved, so you should just embrace hugely statistical imbalances instead!â
Nice false dichotomy.
We can expect improvement while recognizing it will never be truly perfect, and weâre reasonable to do so when the state is as bad as it is.
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Spriest is gonna stay girthy for the remainder of this expansion.
Statistics donât lie, and itâs why tools like warcraft logs are so important. Itâs incredibly unreasonable and unlikely that ALL spriest players are just that much better than all other class players.
Thatâs not whatâs at work here. If you see something like the current trend across thousands of parses, itâs a game balance issue, not a âgitgudâ one.
Ex: a 50th percentile spriest deals 27,325.00 dps. A 100th percentile arcane mage deals 26,099.20 dps.
That is utter garbage.
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Iâm not saying gitgud , Iâm saying is when you get down to it Blizz couldnât balnce a check book let alone classes and maybe the only way to get real balance is to open choices up on how we play and let us find a way to balance ourselves in the game.
EX: Think of a talent or 2 you lost when they gave them to specific specs and when you had them your class/spec played better in your opinion . That is what I am talking about.
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Lets all just roll shadow priests
Thatâs what happens when you look at the numbers alone and take nothing else into account. You compared a multi-dot sustain spec against a ST burst spec on encounters that favor multi-dot sustain specsâŚ
Explain why shadow priests are out-dpsâd by those exact same mages on a ST encounter?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/21#boss=2276
If youâre going to complain, then complain that the raid simply favorâs multi-dot sustain classes. But since the raid is literally only TWO bosses⌠Thatâs just silly⌠If you get an arcane mage to the point that it can compete with a shadow priest or a boomkin on these multi-dot fights, then arcane mages will be obscenely overpowered in ST situations.
Edit:
Either we can have classes be unique in their flavor and shine in certain encounters, OR we can have all classes flavorless and homogenized but be perfectly balanced.
Choose.
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I am sure at some point a nerf will come as they always do when a particluar class shines in an encounter.
We might as well not have any talent choices then for AOE or single target builds⌠cause we need perfect balance.
Big deal one class is doing more dps right now. It happens all the time.
Thatâs entirely false. We can have both.
We can have arcane mages be able to compete on AOE using things like whatever that PBAoE spell. A PBAoE feels mechanically different from dotting up multiple enemies. Thatâs all the flavor classes need.
Niches donât need to exist.
We can also expect blizzard to design well-rounded encounters if they wonât get classes to where they can do everything.
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Not to the level that spriest has for the past two raid tiers.
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Class balance is always a joke to everyone except the class on top. âX class beat me, class balance is a jokeâ.
pfft. Yeah, because its healthy for one spec to be top dog for 2 raids in a row by 19%+.
Doesnât help that both healing priests specs are OP right now, too.
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Thatâs where I disagree. A raid that brings only shadow priests to these fights (aside from the necessary other 5 classes), will be harming itself. A well constructed fight is one that has you bring balanced DPS types to full fill specific parts of the encounter. A great example of where this fails is Spine of Deathwing. On pre-nerf progression⌠If you werenât an arcane mage or a rogue, you were quite literally worthless. Thatâs where you take a niche and take it too far.
An arcane mage literally cannot attack two targets that are separated by 10-15 yards. They will always be at a disadvantage, as will many other specs, at spread cleave. Fortunately enough for them, what they typically bring is the highest on demand ST burst in the game. Why do you think people were bringing them to fetid devourer progress? It wasnât for their overall damage. It was for the on demand burst on adds.
Again⌠Right NOW⌠arcane mages are out-dpsing shadow priests on mekka, a ST encounter.
Edit: Long story short⌠The community puts WAY too much weight on âoverall DPSâ to determine which classes are âbalanced.â
Iâm sorry, but you must know something I donât⌠SPriests were in no way dominating Uldir progression. Like not even close. They got a buff at the end of Uldir and going into BoD and THAT is when they started being strong.
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Crucible and BoD are the same tier, but itâs two consecutive raids. Also, shadow priests were middle of the pack in uldir, while uh dks have been literally bottom of the barrel for 3 tiers now.
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