Yeah, that’s the thing. I was lucky to have been in a Diablo “legit” guild when EQ was released, which we moved to EQ during its beta, and so had a lot of people to help “carry” my cleric.
I’ve avoided P99. Necro and druid are your only choices for soloing, if P99 is faithful to the original EQ.
Yup I hear ya. I straight up avoid certain classes because of how group reliant they are. I’ve spent days just running across the world trying to get into a group wherever I can, with no luck.
I am doing pretty okay solo as a dark elf magician right now, but I’m only 18 atm so who knows what the future will bring.
I killed both No Lights and Algalon, after ICC opened. I managed to do so a week after a guild GKicked me because I left a raid early because I fell asleep on my keyboard. In a PUG.
You are so tempting me. Except I remember the days when my cleric could only kill undead, then had a 10 minute wait to regen mana before I could kill undead again.
It’s just discord, people shouldn’t be using discord to organize but they do. All this stuff should be happening in game through the social channels. Discord is good for most games, really really bad for mmos.
I called him out on classic going exactly as retail did and he ignored it (on my druid) so I called him out and then he was saying what I said wasn’t important and didn’t count. Apparently wow without lfd/lfr ending exactly as retail did doesn’t count rofl
Guilds still have their purpose to allow socialisation, but not necessarily just to raid. People have other types of entertainment now with streaming services like Netflix and fast internet. Much of the player base don’t want to commit a regular time for a structured raid. Custom groups for Mythic++ allow players to push for higher gear with people they know across servers. And many of the casual players like questing on their alts in time they have available with committments to work and family.
Many of my alts aren’t in a guild for reasons they were kicked due to in frequency of play or /g quit due to a dead guild. Right now I am looking for guilds for them. I was surprised as I fought bosses in icecrown how many players who aren’t in guilds. I actually was shocked to see how many weren’t. I guess I was a bit sad too. Guilds used to be an important supportive unit with game play.
LFR is one big thing that adds to a broader issue with WoW. I think Blizzard is catching on, which is why LFR is pretty nerfed compared to its original iteration. I’m hoping next it’ll be timegated one patch behind.
Yes I am transparently anti-LFR, although the topic here is broader.
Can’t go back to that at this stage, really. In early WoW, people socialized in games, in guilds. Social media replaced that. Most players prefer to be “light”, in terms of guild attachment, and socialize with friends (who may or may not be playing WoW) on discord or elsewhere outside the game, and the two things are now separated.
The big change was when socialization moved primarily outside the game.
I’m going to disagree. My experience is Guilds are almost useless. The only benefit being if you want a set team for progression raiding.
I’ve had far more success and enjoyment with the game by using things like “group-finder”, LFG/Gen Chat, or just teaming up with someone I stumbled across in the open world.
I’ve lost count of the number of guilds I’ve been in that advertise as friendly and helpful. My most common experience being:
Me: hey guys, I need some help with something.
Guild: crickets
Me: anyone? Won’t take long…
Guild: crickets officer logsout
And that’s just the populated guilds. Even more often there’s nobody logged on and the guild is a ghost town.
Blizz can just delete guilds. It make no difference to me.
All my characters are in the same guild and I have a few thoughts about it.
This guild has about 400 characters in it. How many players that represents I have no idea. I know I have 7 characters in there.
Sometimes I see 25 players online and sometimes only 1 (me). Guild chat is fairly quiet. People are playing and getting a lot of stuff done. Being the end of the expansion (BfA) most of the dungeon and raid runs have concluded. The guild is getting ready for Shadowlands. As for me, I am being left behind, by choice.
Achievements are posted in Guild Chat and I usually Gratz the player. I seldom get any form of response. Like I said, Guild Chat is fairly quiet.
I am the one that chats the most. Sometimes we get a conversation going but most of the time there is none.
Almost no one even says…“hey guys I am gonna run a BG, anyone want to come?” It just does not happen.
Until Blizzard stops being a “player orientated” company and starts being a “community” company none of this is going to change.
People are all about themselves, not the communities they are a part of. I mean hell, I have lived next to my neighbor for 5 years. I have no idea who he is.
As for community, Yep, we are a community but in practical terms we are a bunch of individuals doing our own thing, by ourselves.
Very tempting, except I know already how the end game turns out.
My “casual” guild from Diablo loses players to raiding guilds. “Casual” in quotes because we were routinely camping with two or three full groups in EQ dungeons, and by WoW standards, were a full bore raiding guild.
One of my fondest memories is when about 15 or more of us wiped, and the first thing I saw after “Loading, please wait” was another guild cleric saying “I didn’t know that blind worked like fear”.
Then some friends from another guild who were doing the same dungeon found us dead, and resurrected us, as we had done for them before.
This isn’t something that would happen in Project 1999 as it did in the original EQ, and impossible for it to happen in WoW.
Ff14 doesn’t have an endgame. Ashes of creation is forced pvp to be successful at pve. I understand these were just examples, but I wanted to clarify that.
Perhaps some people need communities or guilds. I main complaint of the game is that I literally have to join one to get where I want to go in the game. I also have to raid, which I really dont want to do.
I’m here to play the game. I hate that I have to rely so heavily on other people. in other mmos I play, they’re all group based, but the content doesn’t require me to have such high requirements of my teammates as this game does.
Its not 2004. It is impossible to recreate what happened back then. Wishing for it is absurd too. The majority of the player base would never stand for “needing guilds” in the year 2020 or 2021 and beyond. Move on or unsub. This isn’t needed, the game has evolved to a much better place, period.