They literally can not learn, it’s honestly infuriating.
nerf the effects an put sencundary stats pls
Good old lets rebalance it after you spent gold and resources on it.
Yup. All the time and effort they will use for this crap, they could have put more Devs into creating more “fun” content, bring some Dev(s) over to help Devs with Specs by making them fun like how they did with Ret, add more QoL choices, more open world features that actually carries over to the next expansion, etc.
Imagine doing this instead of making additional dungeons to rotate into later seasons
really hope they dont work in pvp and continue to not work, honestly this rings existence confused me when i first found it, i thought we where done with barrowed power grabs…
Still worse than crafted ring for warlocks lol
Blizz,
Ya’ll learned nothing. I blew up buffed stones and spent resources on nerfed ones, and now have to repeat that grind?
Nope. Not gonna do that. In fact, I think I’m gonna cancel my sub.
You guys are going to buff these stones to the point you are going to have to hard nerf them in 10.1 because you refuse to address the problem and add secondary stats to the ring.
Eh, I don’t see it that way, sorry. Borrowed power lasts an entire expansion. Tier sets are power increases for the duration of a single season. Are we really going to call everything with an item level increase or damage increase borrowed power now?
I agree with you… By their logic, every piece of gear you equip is “borrowed”, I dont keep my haste, or stamina when I remove them. So thus, borrowed I guess!
No it isn’t. Borrowed power is emerging language and most referred to expansion specific mandatory systems to create a treadmill of growth to be removed at the conclusion of an expansion. If borrowed power is any ephemeral power, any single piece of gear is then, by that definition, borrowed power. Yet, everyone agrees gear really isn’t borrowed power and thus the verbal gymnastics begins to explain why your definition is right but doesn’t really hold up to this analogy.
The jailer weapon was bis for many 2H builds but it was not borrowed power. It was a good weapon with an on-use effect with no secondary stats. During prepatch, this item spiked my Warrior damage by upwards of 100%.
Being powerful and being borrowed power is not the same thing. If we were talking about locking out entire class traits (i.e., you couldn’t unlock tier 7 talents without gemming two stones of at least ilvl 420), then you’re in the right ballpark for calling it borrowed power.
These faux “actually intellectuals” who pretend to have any authority on emerging topics are getting annoying.
(Also, “grind” since Tuesday isn’t much of a grind, but it is a big annoyance for anyone who did delete or overwrite stones. IMHO, petition using the game help system to ask to have these items restored–this is something the OP should have suggested to avoid the vitriol.)
I’m happy there’s people like you who can explain this a bit better. Thanks for that. I don’t fault people for misunderstanding a certain concept like borrowed power, but it gets brought up erroneously enough that I am also getting tired of seeing it.
There’s plenty of feedback to give on any given topic and slinging around words without the full context of their meaning just to complain isn’t solving anything.
Thanks for the writeup and explanation!
I agree completely.
I wish we could go back to simply saying “this sucks and I hate this” instead of trying to spew the right buzzwords to feel connection with developers (or any in-group).
I like what they tried to do, but in my experience, more randomness is less fun. I love my signet because it passively increases my auto-attack damage. If it was a chance to proc (like rogue main gauche–literally French for “left hand”), I wouldn’t like it as much as I do. The damage added is highly negligible too.
Adding gems that offer secondary stats (except vers) and letting you socket a full haste ring or a haste mastery ring would be a decent compromise in my opinion. But the patch is here, what’s done is done, and in 10.1, it will be a memory of a good idea, ignored community feedback, and discarded as bad implementations.
Except this is an item with an upgradable system attached to it. This is a well written terrible explanation and terrible example of what borrowed power is. The new ring is borrowed power and not a normal item as it has an instance and farmable keys attached to it.
Any upgradable mini system that is expansion specific and only increases your power within the boundaries of said expansion is borrowed power. They have tricked you by attaching it to an item and pretending its a gear upgrade.
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It is a gear upgrade for 98% of the playerbase that doesn’t have dual mythic rings. It’s easy to farm for and upgrade, and it’s an interesting diversion while we wait for 10.1. Not a big deal.
Because everyone said it was trash, so no one tested it…
can’t all my pieces are already haste pieces